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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1639084612; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=zjRL6t7L0/RnPcHckNupFzigDG0GVJ531H+lQSwTLBw=; b=INDdQycgvyhb0oiPu+EHW+H9s4BBSKJkprHyMxvfWowsD6GydY7Px+K4+wyuOKuwHkqgDq IZSFtBRRzt1i6+ZBspDHBtjQZRBfPT/BgFHmBzZQCeTxJoJl8c/vo8wy9/L00AaRDdWOIn YhrAc/NvQTS6aQQ8Lgbt6nBNcK/azW0B+mJ4mFJfKqYJa2aBFzD3t1T9uEW7jTf1rGZzIZ cqg+GxuBDn/5lK4uvH4s5RyeNeYfATBnGAr8P0XWDiwM3xCpAqeeO1A+cDsHbHKToWS/v1 wqO9x+IC8idaPwT+ugKNDziFIoz9qfhBo/NEXcR3bgJ2tpHo1Otkp1bEUHWTCw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1639084612; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=HllUwY+jJsBT3MDAFCPIcjI/N0weZE/65LxD6ldwxCekMZEY1rOcwDjaoIaoaGW6R/vXuH SyCRZ3jZe5sRw/GSO6ocsK1RBjtJK7gGB4b9HgAwKRJr0yr9TQ7dwClkvRMKAdSPc8F7s5 arlQofRCew0zV8eD13yVzvAxZy5hWBqCu+VsHP7hoLwz4b+w+fm5muB3g+vhbs7uP7Q+Ag MnMQz7uPGBsT5iDX42vm78lmGxYoJQLQhDoLvhJnTlHFVgMcdx+oIQ3WnB5htPQClGe5uQ N/TKc14nZ3rLHfFJO7z2cn2m4HZpuOmIsWAZGaO8NBjS8FMti1xCR1D5uRkgLg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="YL89tF3/"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.16 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="YL89tF3/"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9647F13C60 X-Spam-Score: -4.16 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: +ULlEkrxFWuq i think the big change was v9. On 12/9/21, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Thursday, 9 Dec 2021 at 16:21, Russell Adams wrote: >> Did Org break your Org editing experience in Emacs for your Org files, >> or did this change just break some of the finer formatting details of >> your exported Org file? > > It's been a while but, IIRC, the latter to a large extent; I should have > been more clear. > > However, there have been changes in the past that affected the editing > experience but I cannot remember if they were with v8 or v9 or somewhere > in between, particularly dealing with locations of :LOGBOOK: and > scheduling directives. These happened when Nikolas cleaned up the > parsing, to the benefit of org but at the cost of making some documents > non-compliant. > > Nevertheless, as others have stated, given the stability provided by > Emacs (parts of my .emacs date back to 1985!), and org being all text, > even breaking changes are usually trivial to correct or adjust to. > > -- > : Eric S Fraga, with org release_9.5.1-243-gad53c5 in Emacs 29.0.50 > : Latest paper written in org: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.05096 > > -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com