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On 12/28/22, Stefan Nobis wrote: > abq@bitrot.link writes: > >> Likewise, is the inability to close an org-mode outline section >> without starting a new section really a feature? > > I think so. :) > > First, technically, it makes the sections (and their contents) a tree > instead of a graph (DAG) and trees are easier to understand and > handle. As sections are a quite essential and important data structure > of Org, it usually means that it would be hard to change it (meaning > that it could affect a really big part of the code base). > > Another rather technical point is, that most export formats like HTML > and LaTeX/PDF are also tree like structures (regarding sections). > Therefore it is quite a challenge to export a DAG like structure to > these formats. > > But also semantically I would say it is a feature. Have you ever seen > a book, longer web page, or even article (with multiple sections) that > tries to close one section and continue any previous sibling or its > parent? I have never seen such kind of textual structuring and my > guess is, that this would be hard for a reader to understand and > follow. If the intermediate text is small, just make it a list (maybe > a description list). If a new (sub-)section seems a good idea, then > structure everything accordingly and tree-like. For example: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > > * Topic > Some initial words. > ** Subtopic 1 > More text. > ** Subtopic 2 > Another paragraph. > ** Other Aspects > There may be more to say. > > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > IMHO there is always a way to structure sections, such that a tree > like structure suffices. And IMHO this is easier to read an follow. > > If you try to use Org for other kinds of data and this data is > naturally structured like a DAG (or even a cyclic graph), then I think > a database or other means are better suited than Org. > > -- > Until the next mail..., > Stefan. > > -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com