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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Adam Sneller , "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.47 Authentication-Results: aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=andrew-cmu-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=E7kCowmm; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=andrew.cmu.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 70DC31E1AA X-Spam-Score: -2.47 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 4Aq5cBMb5zRQ --00000000000085a1c305bbd8af3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In org-ref you also handle this by annotations of the cite links, e.g. [[cite:book-key][p23]] and then bibtex or biblatex does the formatting. John ----------------------------------- Professor John Kitchin Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 @johnkitchin http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 7:22 AM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 10:31 PM Adam Sneller > wrote: > > > I currently use org-ref and helm-bibtex to manage my database of > academic sources, with one notes file per source. A lot of my sources are > books. So note typically grow over time, as I add multiple headers (each > pertaining to a chapter or topic/note taken from that source). > > > > But now I want to produce a citation that references the page numbers > where I captured that note... > > > > What is the recommended way to handle this? Are you breaking notes into > individual files, each with their own @inbook citation? > > Generally speaking, referencing page numbers and sections of a cited > source is not handled by dedicated citations, but rather by > annotations on the containing citation (book etc.). > > So in the pandoc syntax, for example, [@book, p23]. > > I do the same with notes, and just included the specific citation with > the note if I need to maintain the specific source page. > > Bruce > > --00000000000085a1c305bbd8af3a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In org-ref you also handle this by annotations of the cite= links, e.g. [[cite:book-key][p23]] and then bibtex or biblatex does the fo= rmatting.

John

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Department of Chemical Engineering
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Pittsburgh, PA 15213
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On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 7:22 AM Bruce D'Arcus= <bdarcus@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
On Sat, Feb 20, = 2021 at 10:31 PM Adam Sneller <adam.sneller@ms2.digital> wrote:

> I currently use org-ref and helm-bibtex to manage my database of acade= mic sources, with one notes file per source. A lot of my sources are books.= So note typically grow over time, as I add multiple headers (each pertaini= ng to a chapter or topic/note taken from that source).
>
> But now I want to produce a citation that references the page numbers = where I captured that note...
>
> What is the recommended way to handle this? Are you breaking notes int= o individual files, each with their own @inbook citation?

Generally speaking, referencing page numbers and sections of a cited
source is not handled by dedicated citations, but rather by
annotations on the containing citation (book etc.).

So in the pandoc syntax, for example, [@book, p23].

I do the same with notes, and just included the specific citation with
the note if I need to maintain the specific source page.

Bruce

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