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From: John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Emmanuel Charpentier <emm.charpentier@free.fr>
Cc: emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 20:47:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJ51ETr16EKuV1OnZNFL_oVONsH5bLO65YM72_7kLFMKe9Obew@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8185a990d20b6af915d7355c013c9fc8a62771d4.camel@free.fr>

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On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 7:28 PM Emmanuel Charpentier <
emm.charpentier@free.fr> wrote:

> > In natbib there is \citetext{priv.\ comm.} which is used to add a
> > textual citation to the bibliography that doesn't have a key
> > associated with it.
> Hmmm... why should you bother to reference a personal communication ?
> Such private communications may be mentionned in the text (possibly by
> a footnote) but can't be properly referenced (since there is nothing to
> refer to). If you feel that this communication must be referred to, you
> should give it some (written) support and (properly) reference this
> support.

Who is to say why someone would bother. It is a command on page two of
http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf that one can

It is also possible to use  \nocite{*} as a cite, which includes all
references from a bibliography, and yet contains no key. Even funnier in a
way is \nocite{key} which just adds entries to the bibliography, but does
not cite them in the body of a document.

Footnotes are not always allowed in publications, and for various reasons
not worth defending, in proposals one might want to put this in the
references because of space limitations.

I count at least 10 examples of such personal communications in the
references in my library of ~1800 pdfs, so they aren't very common, but
certainly they exist in the wild. Whether people should do it or not, they

> ISTR that at least CSL and BibLaTeX have types appropriates for a
> manuscript or a letter. You may also consider your own notes as
> documents and reference them (properly).
> > I don't see a way to get something like that in org-cite, since it
> > seems that a key is always required.
> Indeed : the key is, in relational algebra terms, the primary key of
> the bibliographic relation...

I think of it more like a lambda function, but for a cite reference, where
define what you want inline. It is pretty common in scientific papers
and proposals to see that.

It may not make sense to make an @misc bibtex entry for that purpose, since
it is a one time citation for that document, and is like a lambda reference.

> > This isn't currently recognized as a cite, but something like this
> > seems like a reasonable solution to me.
> > [cite/text:@ private communication]
> Such special casing is probably a bugs' nest... err.. hive. And
> pointless, as explained /supra/.

> HTH,
> --
> Emmanuel Charpentier
> > John

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-20  0:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-19 23:28 org-cite: how to include a cite with no key? Emmanuel Charpentier
2021-07-20  0:47 ` John Kitchin [this message]
2021-07-20  6:55   ` Matt Price
2021-07-20  7:31     ` Emmanuel Charpentier
2021-07-21 18:54       ` Matt Price
2021-07-20  7:25   ` Emmanuel Charpentier
2021-07-20 11:41   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-20 12:50     ` Denis Maier
2021-07-20 13:50       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-20 14:12         ` Denis Maier
2021-07-20 12:38   ` Stefan Nobis
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2021-07-19 17:02 John Kitchin

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