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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email , Bruce D'Arcus Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1650205495; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=PkjyUHZQadJsBInFzYk53UcSm0PgDuwks6XNEaUxYYg=; b=k3nMiutJZln4vam+cacnaji43FLOwNvYeetF46aXl4V7TPNHEk5wckkjVYjSmeOZMlYVzE gGbuS4UtqRcg2Qe9WgLpyTRmlAOREE/qfqxFYAS8cgrnYL4Kmb9D3KBF3YthkW5WUNA3Pj MJaulh2j0qXedL4j/pToht3ID3t2jfyBX29wywJKWBXyjt2hvSYTMAT0FxnIpCdFU86sT+ FW1kI20VbTH9p2UtNwp1dxW9L+1KMorzvZIXU+sNZBJxZMn3EKNUTLQr5mBWwOKoLJfoJs NU5vdizK4SnZEGoy1mMvAArdyg8ZEBHPmcJO4nzf6r8EZn5QcZP70u/5RcunYg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1650205495; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=MuFXrmSERAo/Xy+VFR4eS2RpGLQ7pWH1DYFTA60UOx5x5lFXT+wNnJkT2MZcHG6Yksg1Pz Vjf0TUBzxVCJnxj6spyDtC+cyGp9Hauz9toMJ3ZIQcAxRYe4TPU3M7eRWwtPLZf5EJQi7J Rdfmz1Z7EMwDxE6VKWixTm1rTSem2bb3eOYTwmtZgIiO1OOjvoMjC/n/36JmBlzCJRj8zi p1v/uHENKaz3ub+Vkuj7G/0F4ihoEoJtAGP+TAsVeBHQ9isvDwl1TeWkopTGr+wUisTJPx iq63VUdYWt7RNTjqr7qndrEuAyIQJhdUO0am8AjE7nqiaL/EtpRoH7y5DNn/+A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=andrew.cmu.edu header.s=google-2021 header.b=MTbJ679W; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=andrew.cmu.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 6.16 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=andrew.cmu.edu header.s=google-2021 header.b=MTbJ679W; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=andrew.cmu.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A92F0A734 X-Spam-Score: 6.16 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: ZbwhzAjWjX+B --000000000000bddd8805dcda65d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:18 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > John Kitchin writes: > > > I am also not a fan of using Unicode here and prefer a simple ascii > > asterisk. That works fine for me so far, but I am not a heavy user of > bold > > markup and citations. > > What about something like [cite/citet*/:@key]? > "*/" is not recognised as bold ending. That is a great solution when you want to have bold, and it would be optional if you don=E2=80=99t use bold there. You still would need to add = * to the cite pattern. > > > > As I mentioned there is the same problem for links, and in the last 10 > > years I can=E2=80=99t recall an issue being reported with bold. > > This is because links containing "\\*[ -.,;:!?'")}\\[]" match are > extremely rare. > > In contrast, [cite/citet*:@key] is likely to be used fairly frequently > and has much higher chance to break things. We have had a citet*:key link (and all the other * variants) for a long time in org-ref, with no reported issues I can recall. > > Best, > Ihor > > -- John ----------------------------------- Professor John Kitchin (he/him/his) Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 @johnkitchin http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu --000000000000bddd8805dcda65d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:18 AM Ihor Radchenko &= lt;yantar92@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> I am also not a fan of using Unicode here and prefer a simple ascii > asterisk. That works fine for me so far, but I am not a heavy user of = bold
> markup and citations.

What about something like [cite/citet*/:@key]?
"*/" is not recognised as bold ending.

That is a great solution when you want to h= ave bold, and it would be optional if you don=E2=80=99t use bold there.=C2= =A0 You still would need to add * to the cite pattern.=C2=A0



> As I mentioned there is the same problem for links, and in the last 10=
> years I can=E2=80=99t recall an issue being reported with bold.

This is because links containing "\\*[ -.,;:!?'")}\\[]" = match are
extremely rare.

In contrast, [cite/citet*:@key] is likely to be used fairly frequently
and has much higher chance to break things.
<= br>
We have had a citet*:key link (and all the other * variants) for a= long time in org-ref, with no reported issues I can recall.=C2=A0



Best,
Ihor

--
J= ohn

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Professor John Kitchin (h= e/him/his)
Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
C= arnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-7803
@johnkitchin
http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu

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