From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rustom Mody Subject: Re: would take more than an org-mode strip-down. Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:16:52 +0530 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6b3064883fa04ae0fb6e2 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9BKc-0002LY-4z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:46:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9BKY-0006WO-Vk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:46:58 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:41330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9BKY-0006Uw-S1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:46:54 -0400 Received: by iaen33 with SMTP id n33so521240iae.0 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:46:53 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode Cc: levinejames@me.com --000e0cd6b3064883fa04ae0fb6e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi James. If you do not grok text its unlikely you will appreciate a text editor. emacs is not just a text editor its an exceptionally powerful text editor -- a power which is likely to alienate you even more. So the best suggestion to someone who wishes to get into orgmode but finds text (and text editors) unpleasant is to give up on orgmode, just dig into emacs' simpler uses for a while and when a little more comfortable (with emacs) try org again. Hopefully then your questions will be more focused to this list and the answers will be more useful to you. That said, there is some merit in (some of) what you say. org is so many different things at the same time that for a noob to find one's way through the documentation to make his usecase work with minimum pain seems to be unnecessarily hard. The beginner's customization guide: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/org-customization-guide.html is of course a starting point. But I wonder if it would be possible to structure it into something like this outline so that different beginners could start at different places? * Brainstorming-n-outlining TAB and the basic structure navigation and editing features * Exporting and Publishing *** html export *** Odt export *** Web publishing *** Latex publishing *** Presentations ***** Lightweight options http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/org-customization-guide.html ***** Beamer * Babel *** For programming *** For teaching programming *** For doing science (R) *** For scientific publishing (R+Latex) * Time/project mgmt (GTD) *** Agenda *** Time tracking *** capture-archive *** Journalling *** org-habit * Tables and spreadsheets * Integration with other emacs uses *** gnus *** bbdb/ org-contacts *** firefox (org-protocol) *** graphics (R, ditaa...) --000e0cd6b3064883fa04ae0fb6e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi James.

If you do not grok text its unlikely you will appreciate a= text editor.
emacs is not just a text editor its an exceptionally power= ful text editor -- a power which is likely to alienate you even more.
So the best suggestion to someone who wishes to get into orgmode but finds = text (and text editors) unpleasant is to give up on orgmode, just dig into = emacs' simpler uses for a while and when a little more comfortable (wit= h emacs) try org again. Hopefully then your questions will be more focused = to this list and the answers will be more useful to you.

That said, there is some merit in (some of) what you say.
org is so = many different things at the same time that for a noob to find one's wa= y through the documentation to make his usecase work with minimum pain seem= s to be unnecessarily hard.


The beginner's customization guide:
http= ://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/org-customization-guide.html
is of c= ourse a starting point.

But I wonder if it would be possible to structure it into something lik= e this outline so that different beginners could start at different places?=

* Brainstorming-n-outlining
=A0 TAB and the basic structure navi= gation and editing features
* Exporting and Publishing
*** html export
*** Odt export
*** Web = publishing
*** Latex publishing
*** Presentations
***** Lightweigh= t options
=A0 http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/or= g-customization-guide.html
***** Beamer
* Babel
*** For programming
*** For teaching programm= ing
*** For doing science (R)
*** For scientific publishing (R+Latex)=
* Time/project mgmt (GTD)
*** Agenda
*** Time tracking
*** capture-archive
*** Journalling
*** org-habit
* Tables and spreadsheets
* Integration with other emacs uses
*** gnus
*** bbdb/ org-contacts*** firefox (org-protocol)
*** graphics (R, ditaa...)

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