From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rainer M Krug Subject: Re: would take more than an org-mode strip-down. Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:01:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ed52480c6cb04ae0fea73 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42063) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9BYk-0006zD-I5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:01:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9BYg-0001Ea-A2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:01:34 -0400 Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:46580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9BYf-0001E1-QP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:01:29 -0400 Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so551168qyk.0 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:01:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rustom Mody Cc: levinejames@me.com, emacs-orgmode --0016364ed52480c6cb04ae0fea73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > Hi James. > > If you do not grok text its unlikely you will appreciate a text editor. > emacs is not just a text editor its an exceptionally powerful text editor > -- a power which is likely to alienate you even more. > So the best suggestion to someone who wishes to get into orgmode but finds > text (and text editors) unpleasant is to give up on orgmode, just dig into > emacs' simpler uses for a while and when a little more comfortable (with > emacs) try org again. Hopefully then your questions will be more focused to > this list and the answers will be more useful to you. > > That said, there is some merit in (some of) what you say. > org is so many different things at the same time that for a noob to find > one's way through the documentation to make his usecase work with minimum > pain seems to be unnecessarily hard. > > > The beginner's customization guide: > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/org-customization-guide.html > is of course a starting point. > > But I wonder if it would be possible to structure it into something like > this outline so that different beginners could start at different places? > > * Brainstorming-n-outlining > TAB and the basic structure navigation and editing features > * Exporting and Publishing > *** html export > *** Odt export > *** Web publishing > *** Latex publishing > *** Presentations > ***** Lightweight options > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/org-customization-guide.html > ***** Beamer > * Babel > *** For programming > *** For teaching programming > *** For doing science (R) > *** For scientific publishing (R+Latex) > * Time/project mgmt (GTD) > *** Agenda > *** Time tracking > *** capture-archive > *** Journalling > *** org-habit > * Tables and spreadsheets > * Integration with other emacs uses > *** gnus > *** bbdb/ org-contacts > *** firefox (org-protocol) > *** graphics (R, ditaa...) > > I would actually suggest to have a general introduction (what is org, what can it do, what are the principles of org) and then go into different usage scenarios and how to fulfill certain tasks. For example, I am using org-mode exclusively for literate programming and some document writing, but not for task management, calendar, email, etc. So at the beginning, I was really confused by the whole agenda and publishing stuff, until I realized, that I don't need it at all for what I am doing. And after looking at your suggested outline, it is going into that direction, but I would put e.g. "Exporting and Publishing" after the different usage scenarios. so: * Basic org ** what is it and what is it not ** what can it do ** principles and basics of org *** org capture * Usage scenarios ** Time Management *** calendar *** ... ** spreadsheets *** ... ** task manager ** literate programming *** general principles *** examples for different programming languages **** R **** sh **** ... I like the headings "org for doing ...", but one has to be careful, that they do not end uop in repeating to many things - so subheadings as links to the relevant sections above would be quite useful. Cheers, Rainer -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug --0016364ed52480c6cb04ae0fea73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Rustom = Mody <rustomp= mody@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi James.

If you do not grok text its unlikely you will appreciate a= text editor.
emacs is not just a text editor its an exceptionally power= ful text editor -- a power which is likely to alienate you even more.
So the best suggestion to someone who wishes to get into orgmode but finds = text (and text editors) unpleasant is to give up on orgmode, just dig into = emacs' simpler uses for a while and when a little more comfortable (wit= h emacs) try org again. Hopefully then your questions will be more focused = to this list and the answers will be more useful to you.

That said, there is some merit in (some of) what you say.
org is so = many different things at the same time that for a noob to find one's wa= y through the documentation to make his usecase work with minimum pain seem= s to be unnecessarily hard.


The beginner's customization guide:
http= ://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/org-customization-guide.html
is of c= ourse a starting point.

But I wonder if it would be possible to structure it into something lik= e this outline so that different beginners could start at different places?=

* Brainstorming-n-outlining
=A0 TAB and the basic structure navi= gation and editing features
* Exporting and Publishing
*** html export
*** Odt export
*** Web = publishing
*** Latex publishing
*** Presentations
***** Lightweigh= t options
=A0 http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/or= g-customization-guide.html
***** Beamer
* Babel
*** For programming
*** For teaching programm= ing
*** For doing science (R)
*** For scientific publishing (R+Latex)=
* Time/project mgmt (GTD)
*** Agenda
*** Time tracking
*** capture-archive
*** Journalling
*** org-habit
* Tables and spreadsheets
* Integration with other emacs uses
*** gnus
*** bbdb/ org-contacts*** firefox (org-protocol)
*** graphics (R, ditaa...)


I would actually suggest to have a general introduction (what = is org, what can it do, what are the principles of org) and then go into di= fferent usage scenarios and how to fulfill certain tasks. For example, I am= using org-mode exclusively for literate programming and some document writ= ing, but not for task management, calendar, email, etc. So at the beginning= , I was really confused by the whole agenda and publishing stuff, until I r= ealized, that I don't need it at all for what I am doing.

And after looking at your suggested outline, it is going into that dire= ction, but I would put e.g. "Exporting and Publishing" after the = different usage scenarios. so:

* Basic org
** what is it and what= is it not
** what can it do
** principles and basics of org
*** org capture
= * Usage scenarios
** Time Management
*** calendar
*** ...
** sp= readsheets
*** ...
** task manager
** literate program= ming
*** general principles
*** examples for different programming languages<= br>**** R
**** sh
**** ...

I like the headings "org for d= oing ...", but one has to be careful, that they do not end uop in repe= ating to many things - so subheadings as links to the relevant sections abo= ve would be quite useful.

Cheers,

Rainer


--
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservati= on Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)
Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University South Africa

Tel : =A0 =A0 =A0 +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell: =A0 = =A0 =A0 +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax (F): =A0 =A0 =A0 +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 = 44

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