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From: Shankar Rao <shankar.rao@gmail.com>
To: Shankar Rao <shankar.rao@gmail.com>,
	Gustavo Barros <gusbrs.2016@gmail.com>,
	emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add mode for automatically unhiding emphasis markers in the current region
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 17:19:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGEgU=gtVnx3tFv3G7=RNNAvi7RdL=x7LrPws0jLmNRNnaxL5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877dvus2mx.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>

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Hi,

I wrote my message in a hurry. Let me clarify it.
>
> I'm only talking about built-in tooling. I don't mind if a user have the
> feature you're proposing, of course, as it is not wrong per se.
>
> However, I believe that's not the best solution for the problem we're
> trying to solve. I think there's an opportunity to provide something
> smarter, and less intrusive, to handle emphasis, which doesn't involve
> messing with `post-command-hook'.
>

I agree with you that my solution is somewhat intrusive. Ideally, I would
have preferred that my solution could leverage advice functions or some Org
hook, so that I wouldn't have to modify org.el, but it doesn't seem like
there is a straightforward way to do that. The modification of
`post-command-hook', similar to one used for `prettify-symbols-mode', only
occurs if `org-auto-emphasis-mode' is active


> Like in a word processor, you don't need to see the markers to operate
> on them. I don't think the usual "toggle" model is appropriate, however.
> I suggest to use two commands: one for deleting the markers around point
> or within active region, and one for inserting markers or extending
> existing ones.
>
So in your system, in order to interact with emphasis markers, the user
would have to learn two different commands? That doesn't seem to be in line
with the dwim philosophy used in modern emacs packages.

In my opinion, one of the strengths of Org is that the interface is
multimodal. One can (in principle) edit documents in much the same way as
word processors and rich text editors. However since everything underneath
is implemented with just text, one can also directly access and manipulate
this text. The ability to switch between these two modalities is extremely
powerful and is what sets Org apart from other document editing systems.


> Allow me to polish up my draft a bit, so we can compare the benefits of
> each system.
>

I look forward to seeing your proposed system more concretely.

Shankar Rao

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-03 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-01 14:14 Shankar Rao
2020-06-01 15:33 ` Shankar Rao
2020-06-22  5:40   ` Kyle Meyer
2020-06-22 11:25     ` Gustavo Barros
2020-06-23  0:07       ` Kyle Meyer
2020-06-24 12:53         ` Shankar Rao
2020-06-24 13:49           ` Gustavo Barros
2020-06-24 15:46             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-24 16:34               ` Shankar Rao
2020-06-26  7:32                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-07-03 15:19                   ` Shankar Rao [this message]
2020-07-05 10:50                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-07-05 20:49                       ` Gustavo Barros
2020-07-06 14:01                         ` Gustavo Barros
2020-07-07 15:57                       ` Shankar Rao
2020-06-24 17:27               ` Gustavo Barros

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