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Is the convention documented? > >> > >> https://orgmode.org/manual/Structure-Templates.html#Structure-Template= s > > >> It doesn=E2=80=99t seems that The Org Manual uses such a convention. > > > > While the manual doesn't recommend which you should prefer (I don't > > think), it does provide a rationale for its use of uppercase: > > > > (info "(org)Conventions") > > > > Hmm=E2=80=A6 > According to etc/ORG-NEWS, org-tempo.el was introduced in Org 9.2. > Unfortunately the section doesn=E2=80=99t refer the change of convention. > > Why the convention is changed in org-tempo? > I'm a bit hazy about this, but I believe that org-tempo got introduced after this commit: https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode/commit/13424336a6f30c50952d291e7a8290= 6c1210daf0 This was a few years ago. There was even a discussion thread on this list that showed preference to make that change. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2017-10/msg00449.html --00000000000083c33105a444aebb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Apr = 27, 2020, 4:35 AM tsuucat <tsuucat= @icloud.com> wrote:

> tsuucat <tsuucat@icloud.com> writes:
>
>>> Yes, the convention is now to have downcased keywords.
>> Thanks. Is the convention documented?
>>
>> https://o= rgmode.org/manual/Structure-Templates.html#Structure-Templates <https://orgmode.org/ma= nual/Structure-Templates.html#Structure-Templates>
>> It doesn=E2=80=99t seems that The Org Manual uses such a conventio= n.
>
> While the manual doesn't recommend which you should prefer (I don&= #39;t
> think), it does provide a rationale for its use of uppercase:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (info "(org)Conventions")
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <https:/= /yhetil.org/orgmode/87zhlhhwdo.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr/>

Hmm=E2=80=A6
According to etc/ORG-NEWS, org-tempo.el was introduced in Org 9.2.
Unfortunately the section doesn=E2=80=99t refer the change of convention.
Why the convention is changed in org-tempo?

I'm a bit hazy about this, b= ut I believe that org-tempo got introduced after this commit:=C2=A0https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode/commit/13424336a6f30c= 50952d291e7a82906c1210daf0

This was a few years ago. There was even a discussion thread on this= list that showed preference to make that change.=C2=A0


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