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Should we stop doing this and treat such src > blocks as paragraphs? I think that this would cause more of a surprise to the user when something in a source block exports as a plain paragraph instead of in a 
 block
(for HTML exports).

Or should we allow empty lang and instead adapt
> the exporters to treat empty lang correctly?
>

I vote for this one. Then

#+begin_src
foo
#+end_src

will be analogous to this in Markdown:

```
foo
```

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On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 4:32 AM Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:
Johan Bolmsj=C3=B6 <org-mode@johan.bi=
tmaster.se> writes:



> #+caption: Caption 1

> #+begin_src

> foo bar baz

> #+end_src



There is an inconsistency here between Org parser and

https://orgmode.org/worg/org-syntax.html + ma=
nual.



The actual parser does allow empty lang in src blocks, setting :lang

element property to nil. 


Should we stop doing this and treat such sr=
c

blocks as paragraphs? 

=

I think that this would cause more of a surprise to the u=
ser when something in a source block exports as a plain paragraph instead o=
f in a <pre> block (for HTML exports).=C2=A0
<=
br>
Or should we allow empty lang and instead adapt

the exporters to treat empty lang correctly?

I vote for this one. Then
=


#+begin_src
foo
#+end_src

will be analogous to this in Markdown:

```
foo
```






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