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* Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users?
@ 2020-04-16 17:22 Prof. Dr. Johanna May
  2020-04-17  5:55 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
  2020-04-18 13:59 ` Ken Mankoff
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Prof. Dr. Johanna May @ 2020-04-16 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hey there,

I've been preparing lecture notes with org-mode and lualatex export that
include python diagrams and
so on for about more than a year. Now my colleagues and team start to get interested
in tweaking the results. Therefore, we would need some kind of online
collaboration solution similar to overleaf that can compile the latex
including the python (org-babel) inserts. And, obviously, versioning
would also come in handy, so that would rather be github / gitlab
functionality.

Does anyone know of a solution like overleaf that can be used for that?
Could you point me at your description of any setup needed? Or,
alternatively, do you have some good description of how to set up a
server / virtual machine that can do that? (at best including a virtual
emacs interface, so not all users have to do all the installations
locally)? If so, that description would also interest me.

I would like to either use some online platform like overleaf or explain
to my university colleagues who already have servers running what they
could do for me.

The problem is, that the collaboration colleagues are not good friends with coding
(they prefer word to latex, excel to python ... until now, at least),
so I'm not very inclined to suggest them to start using emacs. I would
very much prefer some web-based solution to get them started. Also, such
a solution might provide ways of having students contribute smaller bits
and pieces without having to go thru the whole learning curve of
learning the use of emacs, installing all the tools, etc.pp. Any ideas?

Thank you very much!

Cheers,

J. May


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* Re: Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users?
  2020-04-16 17:22 Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users? Prof. Dr. Johanna May
@ 2020-04-17  5:55 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
  2020-04-18 13:59 ` Ken Mankoff
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2020-04-17  5:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Prof. Dr. Johanna May; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hello Johanna,

Your project is  very interesting. Overleaf is a very  good tool to help
students to learn LaTeX,  and it would be nice to  provide the same tool
for emacs-org-mode. 

Have a look on the following links:

https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/3ql5ga/online_orgmode_editor/

https://www.rollapp.com/app/emacs

https://repl.it/languages/elisp


At  the  moment, I  cannot  help  more, but  in  my  opinion, getting  a
dedicated server would be probably necessary.

Best wishes, 

-- 
Joseph 


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* Re: Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users?
  2020-04-16 17:22 Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users? Prof. Dr. Johanna May
  2020-04-17  5:55 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
@ 2020-04-18 13:59 ` Ken Mankoff
  2020-04-18 15:17   ` Prof. Dr. Johanna May
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Ken Mankoff @ 2020-04-18 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Prof. Dr. Johanna May; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Dr. May,

Unfortunately I have not found Emacs + Org to be the right tools when collaborating. What we need is a way for Org wrap/interface/edit Jupyter Notebooks, since that seems to be becoming the standard. Unfortunately.

I have had some luck with a hybrid approach using the Sage Notebook server. That project is no longer active (perhaps due to the success of Jupyter Notebooks?), but I think you can do something similar with either Google Colab https://colab.research.google.com or more likely CoCalc https://cocalc.com/

Google Collab is just an interface to Jupyter Notebooks.

CoCalc can also just run Jupyter Notebooks, but also lets you have a full Linux environment, bash shell, ssh, git, etc. I think you may need to pay for this level of service, but you could then run emacs remotely via ssh, or locally and use tramp. If the backend is git you may be able to work locally and sync with the webserver interface to the tools that your colleagues would see.

I still don't think your colleagues would be directly editing your Org source though, but you may be able to get close to what you're looking for on those sites. Good luck, and please do post back here if you come up with a good solution.

  -k.

On 2020-04-16 at 10:22 -07, Prof. Dr. Johanna May
<johanna.may@th-koeln.de> wrote...
> Hey there,
>
> I've been preparing lecture notes with org-mode and lualatex export
> that include python diagrams and so on for about more than a year. Now
> my colleagues and team start to get interested in tweaking the
> results. Therefore, we would need some kind of online collaboration
> solution similar to overleaf that can compile the latex including the
> python (org-babel) inserts. And, obviously, versioning would also come
> in handy, so that would rather be github / gitlab functionality.
>
> Does anyone know of a solution like overleaf that can be used for
> that? Could you point me at your description of any setup needed? Or,
> alternatively, do you have some good description of how to set up a
> server / virtual machine that can do that? (at best including a
> virtual emacs interface, so not all users have to do all the
> installations locally)? If so, that description would also interest
> me.
>
> I would like to either use some online platform like overleaf or
> explain to my university colleagues who already have servers running
> what they could do for me.
>
> The problem is, that the collaboration colleagues are not good friends
> with coding (they prefer word to latex, excel to python ... until now,
> at least), so I'm not very inclined to suggest them to start using
> emacs. I would very much prefer some web-based solution to get them
> started. Also, such a solution might provide ways of having students
> contribute smaller bits and pieces without having to go thru the whole
> learning curve of learning the use of emacs, installing all the tools,
> etc.pp. Any ideas?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Cheers,
>
> J. May



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* Re: Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users?
  2020-04-18 13:59 ` Ken Mankoff
@ 2020-04-18 15:17   ` Prof. Dr. Johanna May
  2020-04-18 16:38     ` Ken Mankoff
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Prof. Dr. Johanna May @ 2020-04-18 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ken Mankoff, emacs-orgmode

Dear Ken,

thank you very much. I'm looking into cocalc now. I already got it to
compile some test.org file as pdf. I also set up a test file there in
order to start finding out how to do this. Next step, I guess, would be
to see, if org-babel works. Unfortunately, it looks like
a bit more work since for collaboration I need to find out about
versioning and testing the stuff and also about how to get some very
simple interface working there, maybe for small edits github is
nicer. But I have to admit, my experience on tramp (what is that?) and
git is very limited, so I don't yet have an idea of how to set that up
in a good way.

Jupyter Notebooks are not what I feel is right for lecture notes in that
subject since they cannot display circuitikz and latex export is not the
way it should be. It's not a programming class I'm teaching and many
students do prefer the pdf they can either print out or annotate in some
software on their tablets or just display on their smartphone. The exam
is in writing and on paper.

I do also provide some jupyter notebooks, but only for the interested
part of the class and they surely can manage without that. As always,
such options are rather taken up by the more skilled, and not so much by
the weaker students, unfortunately.

Cheers, have a good weekend!

J

Am Samstag, 18. April 2020 um 15:59 schrieb Ken Mankoff ...
> Hi Dr. May,
>
> Unfortunately I have not found Emacs + Org to be the right tools when collaborating. What we need is a way for Org wrap/interface/edit Jupyter Notebooks, since that seems to be becoming the standard. Unfortunately.
>
> I have had some luck with a hybrid approach using the Sage Notebook server. That project is no longer active (perhaps due to the success of Jupyter Notebooks?), but I think you can do something similar with either Google Colab https://colab.research.google.com or more likely CoCalc https://cocalc.com/
>
> Google Collab is just an interface to Jupyter Notebooks.
>
> CoCalc can also just run Jupyter Notebooks, but also lets you have a full Linux environment, bash shell, ssh, git, etc. I think you may need to pay for this level of service, but you could then run emacs remotely via ssh, or locally and use tramp. If the backend is git you may be able to work locally and sync with the webserver interface to the tools that your colleagues would see.
>
> I still don't think your colleagues would be directly editing your Org source though, but you may be able to get close to what you're looking for on those sites. Good luck, and please do post back here if you come up with a good solution.
>
>   -k.
>
> On 2020-04-16 at 10:22 -07, Prof. Dr. Johanna May
> <johanna.may@th-koeln.de> wrote...
>> Hey there,
>>
>> I've been preparing lecture notes with org-mode and lualatex export
>> that include python diagrams and so on for about more than a year. Now
>> my colleagues and team start to get interested in tweaking the
>> results. Therefore, we would need some kind of online collaboration
>> solution similar to overleaf that can compile the latex including the
>> python (org-babel) inserts. And, obviously, versioning would also come
>> in handy, so that would rather be github / gitlab functionality.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a solution like overleaf that can be used for
>> that? Could you point me at your description of any setup needed? Or,
>> alternatively, do you have some good description of how to set up a
>> server / virtual machine that can do that? (at best including a
>> virtual emacs interface, so not all users have to do all the
>> installations locally)? If so, that description would also interest
>> me.
>>
>> I would like to either use some online platform like overleaf or
>> explain to my university colleagues who already have servers running
>> what they could do for me.
>>
>> The problem is, that the collaboration colleagues are not good friends
>> with coding (they prefer word to latex, excel to python ... until now,
>> at least), so I'm not very inclined to suggest them to start using
>> emacs. I would very much prefer some web-based solution to get them
>> started. Also, such a solution might provide ways of having students
>> contribute smaller bits and pieces without having to go thru the whole
>> learning curve of learning the use of emacs, installing all the tools,
>> etc.pp. Any ideas?
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> J. May


-- 
Prof. Dr. Johanna May
Stellvertretende Institutsleiterin CIRE
Fakultät für Informations-, Medien- und Elektrotechnik (F07)
Institut für Elektrische Energietechnik (IET)
Cologne Institute for Renewable Energy (CIRE)
Lehrgebiete: Energieeffizienz und Grundlagen Elektrotechnik

T: +49 221-8275-2697
M: +49 174 891 9002
E: johanna.may@th-koeln.de

Technische Hochschule Köln
Campus Deutz
Betzdorfer Str. 2
50679 Köln
Raum: HW2-40

www.th-koeln.de


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* Re: Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users?
  2020-04-18 15:17   ` Prof. Dr. Johanna May
@ 2020-04-18 16:38     ` Ken Mankoff
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Ken Mankoff @ 2020-04-18 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Prof. Dr. Johanna May; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

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I've looked a bit more into what Joseph linked to. What about using Org
locally on your computer, and sharing an http://markup.rocks + DropBox
access to your Org files for non-emacs collaborators?

If CoCalc provides something you need that you don't have locally, you
could combine CoCalc + Markup.Rocks. I heard (and CoCalc repeats) here
https://doc.cocalc.com/howto/external-tools.html that DropBox won't work on
certain linux filesystems, but I have never run into this issue yet, so it
may work.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:17 AM Prof. Dr. Johanna May <
johanna.may@th-koeln.de> wrote:

> Dear Ken,
>
> thank you very much. I'm looking into cocalc now. I already got it to
> compile some test.org file as pdf. I also set up a test file there in
> order to start finding out how to do this. Next step, I guess, would be
> to see, if org-babel works. Unfortunately, it looks like
> a bit more work since for collaboration I need to find out about
> versioning and testing the stuff and also about how to get some very
> simple interface working there, maybe for small edits github is
> nicer. But I have to admit, my experience on tramp (what is that?) and
> git is very limited, so I don't yet have an idea of how to set that up
> in a good way.
>
> Jupyter Notebooks are not what I feel is right for lecture notes in that
> subject since they cannot display circuitikz and latex export is not the
> way it should be. It's not a programming class I'm teaching and many
> students do prefer the pdf they can either print out or annotate in some
> software on their tablets or just display on their smartphone. The exam
> is in writing and on paper.
>
> I do also provide some jupyter notebooks, but only for the interested
> part of the class and they surely can manage without that. As always,
> such options are rather taken up by the more skilled, and not so much by
> the weaker students, unfortunately.
>
> Cheers, have a good weekend!
>
> J
>
> Am Samstag, 18. April 2020 um 15:59 schrieb Ken Mankoff ...
> > Hi Dr. May,
> >
> > Unfortunately I have not found Emacs + Org to be the right tools when
> collaborating. What we need is a way for Org wrap/interface/edit Jupyter
> Notebooks, since that seems to be becoming the standard. Unfortunately.
> >
> > I have had some luck with a hybrid approach using the Sage Notebook
> server. That project is no longer active (perhaps due to the success of
> Jupyter Notebooks?), but I think you can do something similar with either
> Google Colab https://colab.research.google.com or more likely CoCalc
> https://cocalc.com/
> >
> > Google Collab is just an interface to Jupyter Notebooks.
> >
> > CoCalc can also just run Jupyter Notebooks, but also lets you have a
> full Linux environment, bash shell, ssh, git, etc. I think you may need to
> pay for this level of service, but you could then run emacs remotely via
> ssh, or locally and use tramp. If the backend is git you may be able to
> work locally and sync with the webserver interface to the tools that your
> colleagues would see.
> >
> > I still don't think your colleagues would be directly editing your Org
> source though, but you may be able to get close to what you're looking for
> on those sites. Good luck, and please do post back here if you come up with
> a good solution.
> >
> >   -k.
> >
> > On 2020-04-16 at 10:22 -07, Prof. Dr. Johanna May
> > <johanna.may@th-koeln.de> wrote...
> >> Hey there,
> >>
> >> I've been preparing lecture notes with org-mode and lualatex export
> >> that include python diagrams and so on for about more than a year. Now
> >> my colleagues and team start to get interested in tweaking the
> >> results. Therefore, we would need some kind of online collaboration
> >> solution similar to overleaf that can compile the latex including the
> >> python (org-babel) inserts. And, obviously, versioning would also come
> >> in handy, so that would rather be github / gitlab functionality.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of a solution like overleaf that can be used for
> >> that? Could you point me at your description of any setup needed? Or,
> >> alternatively, do you have some good description of how to set up a
> >> server / virtual machine that can do that? (at best including a
> >> virtual emacs interface, so not all users have to do all the
> >> installations locally)? If so, that description would also interest
> >> me.
> >>
> >> I would like to either use some online platform like overleaf or
> >> explain to my university colleagues who already have servers running
> >> what they could do for me.
> >>
> >> The problem is, that the collaboration colleagues are not good friends
> >> with coding (they prefer word to latex, excel to python ... until now,
> >> at least), so I'm not very inclined to suggest them to start using
> >> emacs. I would very much prefer some web-based solution to get them
> >> started. Also, such a solution might provide ways of having students
> >> contribute smaller bits and pieces without having to go thru the whole
> >> learning curve of learning the use of emacs, installing all the tools,
> >> etc.pp. Any ideas?
> >>
> >> Thank you very much!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> J. May
>
>
> --
> Prof. Dr. Johanna May
> Stellvertretende Institutsleiterin CIRE
> Fakultät für Informations-, Medien- und Elektrotechnik (F07)
> Institut für Elektrische Energietechnik (IET)
> Cologne Institute for Renewable Energy (CIRE)
> Lehrgebiete: Energieeffizienz und Grundlagen Elektrotechnik
>
> T: +49 221-8275-2697
> M: +49 174 891 9002
> E: johanna.may@th-koeln.de
>
> Technische Hochschule Köln
> Campus Deutz
> Betzdorfer Str. 2
> 50679 Köln
> Raum: HW2-40
>
> www.th-koeln.de
>

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