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From: Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com>
To: "Prof. Dr. Johanna May" <johanna.may@th-koeln.de>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users?
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:38:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFdBzEqt4f+Vv3_XO8vzR6yB7CtcL3GG_119nGU4RMKjX6Lshg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h7xgu8ky.fsf@th-koeln.de>

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I've looked a bit more into what Joseph linked to. What about using Org
locally on your computer, and sharing an http://markup.rocks + DropBox
access to your Org files for non-emacs collaborators?

If CoCalc provides something you need that you don't have locally, you
could combine CoCalc + Markup.Rocks. I heard (and CoCalc repeats) here
https://doc.cocalc.com/howto/external-tools.html that DropBox won't work on
certain linux filesystems, but I have never run into this issue yet, so it
may work.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:17 AM Prof. Dr. Johanna May <
johanna.may@th-koeln.de> wrote:

> Dear Ken,
> thank you very much. I'm looking into cocalc now. I already got it to
> compile some test.org file as pdf. I also set up a test file there in
> order to start finding out how to do this. Next step, I guess, would be
> to see, if org-babel works. Unfortunately, it looks like
> a bit more work since for collaboration I need to find out about
> versioning and testing the stuff and also about how to get some very
> simple interface working there, maybe for small edits github is
> nicer. But I have to admit, my experience on tramp (what is that?) and
> git is very limited, so I don't yet have an idea of how to set that up
> in a good way.
> Jupyter Notebooks are not what I feel is right for lecture notes in that
> subject since they cannot display circuitikz and latex export is not the
> way it should be. It's not a programming class I'm teaching and many
> students do prefer the pdf they can either print out or annotate in some
> software on their tablets or just display on their smartphone. The exam
> is in writing and on paper.
> I do also provide some jupyter notebooks, but only for the interested
> part of the class and they surely can manage without that. As always,
> such options are rather taken up by the more skilled, and not so much by
> the weaker students, unfortunately.
> Cheers, have a good weekend!
> J
> Am Samstag, 18. April 2020 um 15:59 schrieb Ken Mankoff ...
> > Hi Dr. May,
> >
> > Unfortunately I have not found Emacs + Org to be the right tools when
> collaborating. What we need is a way for Org wrap/interface/edit Jupyter
> Notebooks, since that seems to be becoming the standard. Unfortunately.
> >
> > I have had some luck with a hybrid approach using the Sage Notebook
> server. That project is no longer active (perhaps due to the success of
> Jupyter Notebooks?), but I think you can do something similar with either
> Google Colab https://colab.research.google.com or more likely CoCalc
> https://cocalc.com/
> >
> > Google Collab is just an interface to Jupyter Notebooks.
> >
> > CoCalc can also just run Jupyter Notebooks, but also lets you have a
> full Linux environment, bash shell, ssh, git, etc. I think you may need to
> pay for this level of service, but you could then run emacs remotely via
> ssh, or locally and use tramp. If the backend is git you may be able to
> work locally and sync with the webserver interface to the tools that your
> colleagues would see.
> >
> > I still don't think your colleagues would be directly editing your Org
> source though, but you may be able to get close to what you're looking for
> on those sites. Good luck, and please do post back here if you come up with
> a good solution.
> >
> >   -k.
> >
> > On 2020-04-16 at 10:22 -07, Prof. Dr. Johanna May
> > <johanna.may@th-koeln.de> wrote...
> >> Hey there,
> >>
> >> I've been preparing lecture notes with org-mode and lualatex export
> >> that include python diagrams and so on for about more than a year. Now
> >> my colleagues and team start to get interested in tweaking the
> >> results. Therefore, we would need some kind of online collaboration
> >> solution similar to overleaf that can compile the latex including the
> >> python (org-babel) inserts. And, obviously, versioning would also come
> >> in handy, so that would rather be github / gitlab functionality.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of a solution like overleaf that can be used for
> >> that? Could you point me at your description of any setup needed? Or,
> >> alternatively, do you have some good description of how to set up a
> >> server / virtual machine that can do that? (at best including a
> >> virtual emacs interface, so not all users have to do all the
> >> installations locally)? If so, that description would also interest
> >> me.
> >>
> >> I would like to either use some online platform like overleaf or
> >> explain to my university colleagues who already have servers running
> >> what they could do for me.
> >>
> >> The problem is, that the collaboration colleagues are not good friends
> >> with coding (they prefer word to latex, excel to python ... until now,
> >> at least), so I'm not very inclined to suggest them to start using
> >> emacs. I would very much prefer some web-based solution to get them
> >> started. Also, such a solution might provide ways of having students
> >> contribute smaller bits and pieces without having to go thru the whole
> >> learning curve of learning the use of emacs, installing all the tools,
> >> etc.pp. Any ideas?
> >>
> >> Thank you very much!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> J. May
> --
> Prof. Dr. Johanna May
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Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-16 17:22 Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users? Prof. Dr. Johanna May
2020-04-17  5:55 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2020-04-18 13:59 ` Ken Mankoff
2020-04-18 15:17   ` Prof. Dr. Johanna May
2020-04-18 16:38     ` Ken Mankoff [this message]

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