From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Brian van den Broek Subject: Re: LaTex Adjustments for Org-Export Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 00:16:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <51F902C4.4080902@taupro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133959e46656d04e31774bd Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52880) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V5pjz-0002bz-LT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 00:16:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V5pjy-0005Ri-6k for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 00:16:23 -0400 Received: from mail-ve0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22d]:41578) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V5pjy-0005RS-1A for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 00:16:22 -0400 Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id cy12so2042924veb.32 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 21:16:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: John Hendy Cc: emacs-orgmode , Jeff Rush --001a1133959e46656d04e31774bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Aug 3, 2013 9:26 PM, "John Hendy" wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Brian van den Broek > wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 2013 8:28 AM, "Jeff Rush" wrote: > >> > >> I'm trying to export a .org file to .pdf and although I've gotten past > >> many formatting hurdles, I am stuck on two problems. > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> 2) How can I change the basic formatting of paragraphs everywhere to > >> > >> a) omit the leading indent, and > >> b) have a blank line between paragraphs > >> > >> Instead of this strange-looking style: > >> > >> This is a test paragraph > >> of the following kind of thing. > >> And so is this one. > >> > >> I want it to look like this: > >> > >> This is a test paragraph > >> of the following kind of thing. > >> And so is this one. > > > > Hi all, > > > > (Catching up on the traffic, so a bit late to the thread.) > > > > I don't use org's export facilities, so I am not sure how and where to > > object this into org's export process. But, the LaTeX way is to use the > > parskip package. > > > > Please do reconsider, though. Just about every book on my shelves follows > > what you label a 'strange style,' for the good reason that the style you > > favour can result in ambiguity. (A paragraph that ends a page, takes up the > > entire last line and is followed by a new paragraph cannot be distinguished > > from a paragraph that spans the page break.) > > > > That was [mostly] a joke. I'm actually not clear from the text above > what is desired. The description says "no leading indent and blank > line between," but the example text shows non-indent on first > paragraph, indent on second (which would void the page-span concern), > and no line break... Indeed it does. I missed that reading on my phone. I don't see how I can blame my strange typo on that though, so perhaps I ought just give up :-) As I said, I don't export from org to latex, but I am puzzled. The style you describe (and which the OP appears to display) is what LaTeX does for me by default. I know that no leading indent and inter-paragraph separation is a common desire, so I guess I let lazy thinking take over. > I take it you have literary experience, which I'm glad to have on the > list. Your comment made me consider that I often fiddle with "what > seems to look nice," overlooking that some of these things have a very > specific purpose in terms of avoiding ambiguity or what you described > -- I'd never have thought of that! I care about typography and have come to embrace that Knuth, Lamport, and that maintainers of all things TeXnical are rather better at it than am I. It is hard to resist the urge to fiddle, but I try :-) Best, Brian vdB --001a1133959e46656d04e31774bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Aug 3, 2013 9:26 PM, "John Hendy" <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Brian van den Broek
> <brian.van.den.bro= ek@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2013 8:28 AM, "Jeff Rush" <jrush@taupro.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm trying to export a .org file to .pdf and although I&#= 39;ve gotten past
> >> many formatting hurdles, I am stuck on two problems.
> >>
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>
> >> 2) How can I change the basic formatting of paragraphs everyw= here to
> >>
> >> =A0 =A0 =A0a) omit the leading indent, and
> >> =A0 =A0 =A0b) have a blank line between paragraphs
> >>
> >> =A0 =A0 Instead of this strange-looking style:
> >>
> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 This is a test paragraph
> >> =A0 =A0 of the following kind of thing.
> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 And so is this one.
> >>
> >> =A0 =A0 I want it to look like this:
> >>
> >> =A0 =A0 This is a test paragraph
> >> =A0 =A0 of the following kind of thing.
> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 And so is this one.
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > (Catching up on the traffic, so a bit late to the thread.)
> >
> > I don't use org's export facilities, so I am not sure how= and where to
> > object this into org's export process. But, the LaTeX way is = to use the
> > parskip package.
> >
> > Please do reconsider, though. Just about every book on my shelves= follows
> > what you label a 'strange style,' for the good reason tha= t the style you
> > favour can result in ambiguity. (A paragraph that ends a page, ta= kes up the
> > entire last line and is followed by a new paragraph cannot be dis= tinguished
> > from a paragraph that spans the page break.)
> >
>

<snip>

> That was [mostly] a joke. I'm actually not clear fr= om the text above
> what is desired. The description says "no leading indent and blan= k
> line between," but the example text shows non-indent on first
> paragraph, indent on second (which would void the page-span concern),<= br> > and no line break...

Indeed it does. I missed that reading on my phone. I don'= ;t see how I can blame my strange typo on that though, so perhaps I ought j= ust give up :-)

As I said, I don't export from org to latex, but I am pu= zzled. The style you describe (and which the OP appears to display) is what= LaTeX does for me by default. I know that no leading indent and inter-para= graph separation is a common desire, so I guess I let lazy thinking take ov= er.

> I take it you have literary experience, which I'm g= lad to have on the
> list. Your comment made me consider that I often fiddle with "wha= t
> seems to look nice," overlooking that some of these things have a= very
> specific purpose in terms of avoiding ambiguity or what you described<= br> > -- I'd never have thought of that!

I care about typography and have come to embrace that Knuth,= Lamport, and that maintainers of all things TeXnical are rather better at = it than am I. It is hard to resist the urge to fiddle, but I try :-)

Best,

Brian vdB

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