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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1633871092; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=cTURAVXqwZjsBzwrH07beeC1tkMbLfHfQroISpg5jqI=; b=L3JbAu0KUsIsheMng1Ydb+Zivegj/awCA4RFDzb4ysDNOxYnRAT0WZGoay1bX+insyAwP2 vxMZh2OErxv9/Xr+4xyXs26b2wAUqcki7iLSfxUm0djPsfsGwothSGXuQOhVP21O5r7BFE Z+zdpEaQWNtGsQQq/hVnM5Xii0vXvyH1YKTu0g/vFsB6o0I8GvEyxiPEHyO31sHG+VFx3Q Ph/XLoru+kPmsanC58Yuz+g3oDhGGO5HPzWjppUKdZeoBPUN7LFg8V5w46ExFJnGWzPgyy 4YXXKnxakN+drhOCtqWpR/YOoYPtxqGxSYl6dodERVeo7vCnrT0W5Bzcm9Lp3g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1633871092; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ZxCQiTisDTix7NPTk8LBNVU9qhYsaAhGwIkd8bFOeZR38znvHmACl+OSpkZpfXzL2fkdGZ i3ppGC9cZ6XZLkmLUPiUOPKbSMjhawUMl9EyJE6AXanAeRTYZNz9ui111GeH+WbZSydvF0 PgubhGyro1NyPPXNpi1qpfY687Rz0PnnXmrW/3nk+rQ3DbCSefd7L208gQyZHJtQePhkBy jnhW/Y3PEk/iDboLRAXqq7PuzV8ydNbznsMgYhW07DFS71W0Eud3BdkVJ6sKKFVtr8PlE+ pYtzcvGuXZ/iZdxY4DKtSkExNXrB9SSMG1XtJEsFeEkXZatk/Q97BlAmt3FcFQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=KoK8Xcs8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.11 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=KoK8Xcs8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2EF9E23F48 X-Spam-Score: -2.11 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 2qCFAqkQGJZb On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 8:00 AM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > Is there any technical reason citations aren't allowed in captions? > > Yes, there is. Captions are somewhat fragile: they may or may not be > included in the final output. So this might introduce some subtle bugs, > such as pointers (op. cit., or ibid) to non-existing references. For the > same reason, footnotes references are not allowed in citations either. > I don't know if the benefits outweigh these possible complications. I'm not sure either. But they're not uncommon in the wild. The "subtle bugs" you mention: does that example you note only apply to output formats that omit the captions? The important export formats for academic writing are latex, odt, and (less so) html, all of which do include the captions. Are there others you are thinking of? Bruce