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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1647869274; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=F3asMz4UeT6d9VC+hWiMKEY5LNfRJovpXBkk8uEFNNk=; b=k6LQuBQY4WxtWBodxHjKk2pL1+NGqQmo6m5TVfnoSm2Bymv+oSX+f62qDc41N2+9QE9kZo dfxi6bGuIR9acv7zxCQjIWj1AEANsk+rHnDq1k9x2IFwI0Z3nh7WZ4JCz+AFCRCyR6yIDy RbFdOZhL/o9lbE0UPb5AdpBWsEZk5bMmKjDrngiKiW/sOhGQwhBhGGzXUzB9e3yRS7IX7R mE7DaB28pZDOs8MnqW1W5DuT7SqSaApT7H7b6LqCBrCVcZQSnIWC8Uk+/5qhMgl98E/9oI tjlpbBxBGcBD2sDjJxKJBAqtviDcsobzKQ82oktO4qNerlqPaQ/EXfOuomECvA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1647869274; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Hz7wwP0QipxcIyLfqyjdVaN4OAYase6LkmEvexkUMm/5zFPmtxSjGryD16Tp81TK2mxu9w HlwXT2MQCD/EGt0KdTYQsLW7jV6bNg51gwwWbmBejIWOuO/KspcHhZn6v+1CiG1jk835e7 dALrtAwhSAwp+d6Bz+KSXHGF5Wpo3YfARYZZdIddQ22OcTjGiEle0peudKqakj3c/glQ2l d8ewODpR4BVxOBgy8tPI1euHa6+EX/DLxoHZs9ISA6PRkd9NBuJkyg7rNfrOA2MYUm+IxZ E1ArG/RYszjL9oDivB4Fd0lnXXuWlBzBdI4L7+MHr0Wb0GNhuxe7mYyA557URA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Q99sNjUo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Q99sNjUo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 18284E5BF X-Spam-Score: -4.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: ES0WUQ3omnEc On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Dominik Schrempf wrote: > > =E2=80=9CBruce D=E2=80=99Arcus=E2=80=9D writes: > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:41 AM Dominik Schrempf > > wrote: > >> > >> Thank you, I can use `citar-insert-edit` to perform this action. > > > > You can actually just use org-cite-insert, which is context aware. > > > >> Now, I failed to create a full citation in the text. This corresponds = to the > >> `\fullcite{}=E2=80=99 command in LaTeX. Is there an option for this? > > > > No, but we should add one, as natbib has a similar command. > > > > And, of course, per Timothy=E2=80=99s point, you can customize > > org-cite-biblatex-styles to include it in the meantime. If you want to > > experiment with this, contact me off-list, as there=E2=80=99s some nuan= ces > > with citar. > > Great, that was easy, thank you: > > (add-to-list =E2=80=99org-cite-biblatex-styles =E2=80=99(=E2=80=9Cfull=E2= =80=9D nil =E2=80=9Cfullcite=E2=80=9D nil nil)) On citar (the "nuance"), until I make the style UI smarter, you'll want to add this command and a preview to citar-org-style-preview-alist. You might want to even completely redefine it to preview using the biblatex command. > (This or something similar should be added upstream). I agree. We just need to decide what the style name should be (and also add a mapping from it for bibentry in natbib, and hopefully later csl). We already have a "full" variant for "author", so another "full" might be a little confusing. Bruce > >> In summary, it is a bit painful to use `org-cite` compared to using `o= rg-ref`. > >> In my opinion, the main reasons are: > >> > >> =E2=80=A2 Documentation is missing for `org-cite`. > >> =E2=80=A2 The citation commands seem to be incomplete (or at least not= documented). > > > > The documentation is admittedly thin. Thoughts on what we should add? > > > > The styles, and how to customize them with oc-biblatex? > > I know writing documentation is a lot of work. It is easy to complain, bu= t hard > to contribute. I think we need: > =E2=80=A2 A complete description of styles and variants (for the actual c= itation > command, and also for `#+cite_export: ...') or at least a link to an > up-to-date table. > =E2=80=A2 An improved description of the capabilities of `org-cite-insert= ' (i.e., that > it can change the citation style and variant). > > > > > Bruce