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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1648298632; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Fw60qgmkFg4wFzjS4FQsnCZbjX/DSqACM3YGQhf3Kq0=; b=EkBMVOebGNUmLLqzZ/NTSxz+PS1onGnsmku9xJ2FeO0wQ3l7aq68HATK4Sc9G3QGbnT2vX igA86Q2F8WdDHEAKGwPB6y5EUV2YVShtKeCzV7EfbcgtJ+cxg1s4hrZPA92FAPOX0nDdHY czwKmIbz4zmgRpJLyQBzB7u+KQcRKljc/FR6yaAkGDFTt+1PChmNdkonij3cJOBjE0f+9j msltEJJGfUHMUUrU18iZcLGKQWNWukPaES+uBF8uLgQB/JCZvzO3kGyFuP5Uxiuwmq0clr sP+LaA9Puel0E8QMiNOCqDQUROYwemfqLs/g6zwo4xxrSJuqE/H7bmvsRxKv2A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1648298632; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=n9DMx6c0E8fWWY1CQaxqXEct3IYTP3eHIXPgDwBU3JhvmdM96q8ql+9biajAan/+uvrcFj HUcQEvCASusMc+rfvdvxkU1FVPmX6/fSOcyr+32EP1u16gk6QCskR8Bwgp6i7KDPcDe/K1 Gd0v3Ymu1d6XoEMK0HKPyN0Dzeo5qwjv98g+580vsx/G6f8jZ16VnjAbfPUAT5mch50ArA Neh1WYJevDVQjhuGUS0XhBWENwgRuE2PE0zSuSFRrLNDzjuHWxdi+HIuSOV0GO/1JiYBAS 9s42NJOXx0xzt3WbGEkBBbnsS+F+Qe9ppBe1NKbeC4ZxR+pTlexuzZhPj7NgtQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=k0HBtPz+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.88 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=k0HBtPz+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DC8073717F X-Spam-Score: -8.88 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: hgTv1YTk9IPt I obviously can't speak for John, but on this: On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 1:11 PM Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 21/03/2022 18:51, John Kitchin wrote: > > > > citenum and bibentry are the only two I am not sure have a CSL analog. As I said in an earlier message, it's no problem to add these. Someone can always add the bibentry/fullcite style to oc-csl later, if and when Andras adds the functionality to citeproc-el. Though it's feasible, I doubt you'll ever see citenum in CSL, since those sorts of low-level commands don't really fit there. But that also is not a problem. > I read your messages once more and I should say that I feel some > disagreement of this one (I removed most of it) and the earlier and > longer one from Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:31:29 -0400 > https://list.orgmode.org/m2sfrc149c.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu > > I admit that org-ref is carefully tuned to your workflow. I hope, it is > possible to left aside decomposition of org-cite into modules for some time. > > Let's assume org-cite with natbib backend for citations and org-ref for > cross-references. It seems, a couple of missed styles currently is not a > problem due to the defcustom for the mapping. The mapping defcustom is currently only in oc-biblatex. It might be worth adding it to oc-natbib, and so generalizing how these mappings are handled in latex? Bruce > Are there still any technical limitations that prevent getting in the > exported LaTeX file the same citation commands as for org-ref? > > In particular I am worrying concerning > https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref README (and the same phrase from the > earlier message): > > > org-cite does not meet my citation and technical document publishing > > needs, and it was not possible to integrate it into org-ref without > > compromising those. > Does it refer to exported result or to convenience of working with > citations? Would it help if it were possible to choose style by its > natbib command? > > I see that you do not like org-cite styles, but I can not figure out > what are the real blockers that prevent producing documents having the > same quality. > >