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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621203878; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=bawnIlck/8ieA3Bk/jjTOW2ESuTGnsg4brZnqDJUQr0=; b=Ci23pqtPwYQLUhUmTXmynXMGtqj1jzm/7jkOkOfN6fWA+ortlhnb+9MVdK7Da5SwuIPL1k mbSjkLv7fzBnZHRjVWnRcwJitDyeZhBo3Yc1hYmoJ+GLqHyoC4/iRAvbdofwAmso6dBCU9 70eH+72DulCyk6Rvzb+0pfA8+PtFdq2PlQ91j+CoOrRw9749JjT2fEtVbbRYjr73txZFMx f6XB0SgkEQN5ekZ6Tpr86NZcQpAX7o/82bsfavOmmHzj/RWL/D5iY4EDr4tnasvDjvZ9O2 9ExxlRB2jOhlnByCLqnSg1fZjlh4tBGeOROk1ynpCb19Nkl2f4XQ2+AEEzqNbw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621203878; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EfKAiaPpwtJapceEzB4rFQqTVGGg/bdlHA+DtxxMGBl+HVq+lUI2A1hfZ/0XMiVPBpAH0d ufFJVMEqSCTgDvOGex+TxdOrpV4pGjq2zzn7j4rLY54KgZvdb7FQkXR/N8ahkcyb5Y0LQS 7RBwJR4jkqMUKUWOegxesV297rVBdJYp3wATCIfcGwQ4zhhvMLlUL897Z8qDWlban/RLfT yWrU8zWt1DD3DT4Dwi/SEECOWRrGl1yuf0ek4OmHFVB2ySeJkNbdPpuXWXaZGx2h1XgOkR /FFeSkIuMGqsK6SPY8ouy2WRhtk+CkcohOAXFtzUfSyuMbMNmueeIvipunYCOA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ey8sPZl6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.65 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ey8sPZl6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C556115B93 X-Spam-Score: -1.65 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: kQ2dA8TXOWq+ On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 6:03 PM Denis Maier wrote: > > Am 16.05.2021 um 23:38 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: .... > > Can you clarify the rule/situation that would use that approach? > > > > Chicago Manual of Style 15.26: > "When the source of a block quotation is given in parentheses at the end > of the quotation, the opening parenthesis appears after the final > punctuation mark of the quoted material. No period either precedes or > follows the closing parenthesis." Maybe me and a lot of scholars aren't very good at following these rules :-) Or maybe the stuff I read and write doesn't follow Chicago, etc for whatever reason. > Seems to be the same in MLA and APA by the way: > https://writingcenter.uagc.edu/block-quotations Very helpful! So what are you thinking; this punctuation-manipulation should not apply to blockquotes at all? Bruce