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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620239323; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=BsLG/MQqJa9WCqtTDvKwASFd9RdQ6JlMjG/Hy8s9mD0=; b=ObfMzHMMHLm1t40PZASkgljV5ZKw99fERWHOm1BDI1sJSv1BD9+rnfltvAQqf9cbVuJUii vV4wO047ROf39E5q45qt4kM4Hvf/MpY+l5zvewXFYs8+Rq9KoPXKl7nSTjt3G0hXtxSjP1 kIo7ClJyuTsbpueWIVOsCU8hOg/GbU92vse8JsIxlooE22Bdpy1EWUOJctTZMR+tcHiUkC ttgEIly8gFDD2ctTyOP78569sxpcH3w/LivPrkltV5PEurl8/Qa83OApBJwHgkQ4QQOppW WjFncqXhXRgYO9EmBVde9toLS4jGImJUJxreDOr8YzkfDu600SaatV1mLLYDvQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620239323; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=IPvA5LN8RJRqpTVmv6VFgkrPnY5Y8yIn2KVXF97szve7Q1wGNh3dwJFKt0fsCMNM7G5L7C tX9uI2v2TWIk/5UVNu/FDb6V5RrkFqRpTC3nfvtI/VWgulqtqLef7c+hycokRd6SWd3bNb NWKhKZ8PruAqDwWsmUy3GFT5ANCCnNN7LdM+9kSAXy1Voe3ynFm80eGQAD69/ULJtEqf6a AyYoY7PFOmQEEgwSpfaKfOBHWdvMZRuR15xzk+Q4nu60X4kTozIbqBh62dJFc9tS2eQFzG gY1vluuGEsqNC6Bgyrtmz6xOiWSXnxL1IPBR/VblOLf76YdR351UQJkg5HgjYA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hVpD1Lj6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.17 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hVpD1Lj6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4106BEC6A X-Spam-Score: -3.17 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 5vNPcOyn1XFV On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:15 PM M. =E2=80=98quintus=E2=80=99 G=C3=BClker wrote: > I wonder, can the placement of the footnote not just be left to the > author...? I have the impression that something is being > over-engineered here with the attempt to automate this, but maybe this > is just me. The use case is for users who may author with the expectation of using one style for output (for example, author-date), but then find they have to use another (say note-based). It's not super common, since most scholars operate in fields where practices are more-or-less consistent. Scientists, for example, do not use note-based styles, and humanities people do not use numeric ones. But people (like me) who, for example, work at the borders of the humanities and social sciences, can be required to switch among very different styles. For example, they may submit a manuscript to one journal that uses an author-date style, and it gets rejected there, and then submit to another journal which is note-based. So it is somewhat rare, but is not a purely hypothetical requirement. Without this, the user would have to modify their entire document to adjust the formatting, which is a hassle. It's also not a hypothetical solution, as it's already implemented in solutions like pandoc, and works well there. But that currently works correctly for the "American" rules only, which is why Denis put in an issue there for that, and why he has weighed in here. Hope that explains. Bruce