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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Bastien , emacs-orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1632752707; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=FjbsMyUYvs94XbIDtVPednu/qTRtGDafb5T2HwcFmLA=; b=qJs8tLortn9ybJovn/pTo13JD/I8pFgxUbceAr+4rGO5PyJZP3TGqxXAa/y9HSutVO/qtP xV1xXH75JHlVgNZ2mkWRolPH1DWl7n8HIQGCAAFuSHirUB0oDuiC2xJ2sL0pPEMNTUwzNt bT0pek9yD/mL695cdsY3sw32rIwfF2PV8laakPm1KVJqPR3pa00r+1mNHB5T27LhZmGWB6 q+qlwIR5QonUndwKZIpIB3fuXo+I9laD856KAgQq35omn+D5eqdr9tyGGO0+vX09BclfdA MyIBGg9UYXODCEABefn45bljBWH5djq/35M7Emo3/FOWePVhdEQLVal7OnQ+7g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1632752707; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Z9lVECoQdrjJjtSdSYJLeKvK29XgQ7qmzm68RD1ADhX5LDGDLHJf+KvNdHZe0ydo9qZpa8 I3DLhimCME/9/HWL7/4vIWrHkiW4obyjfvZLKjt4mkEbLFCS2ebA34FEeOyCZ1C/uAf076 nfn03oXzefNzJSRbV/9s8U4MtFlbkCd4GGxu8TjC575c3/b0h0zYJSvHhb5CD6tnYOqM7l m6Z790F1AbAygoNUQkk99EkwvVWuhWfjVI6NQyyUGGqU0kwiGq1cjT48T/BxJCsQVPKYzQ F2xIwgVFHl0C32ozU4Otih6MXMPLNAnb7HeOiJbvKwE/Qahe3YOPch3Y6l8sBQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=S4mhHTuM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.99 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=S4mhHTuM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E9A6515791 X-Spam-Score: -3.99 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: f1EU/RL+6ch3 Great start! A few quick comments: 1. I'm not sure we should call them "citation links", since they aren't really links. 2. "four bibliograhic backends are available": a) note typo (which I think I saw elsewhere; there are a number of spelling errors throughout), b) "available" -> "included" (in org) More generally, it has also occurred to me that some of what Timothy wrote for this might be repurposed for here: https://blog.tecosaur.com/tmio/2021-07-31-citations.html Finally, a question: what's the best way to do complex-ish documentation like this collaboratively? Is there an alternative to email + patches for the create, comment, revise cycle of refining this? And related: if the goal is to finish this week (?), do we have time to do comprehensive documentation? I'm a little skeptical. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:04 AM Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: > > As reported by Bastien, I started a documentation for the current state o= f the citation engine(s). I intended to complete it, but got "a little" sid= etracked. > > Enclosed is a patch of where I was in August. > > Bastien made the following remarks, which I mostly intended to follow : > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Je pense qu'=C3=A0 ce stade, le mieux est de soumettre ce document sur la > liste de diffusion. > > En attendant, j'ai quelques remarques, en vrac : > > - Je pense que le titre "Working with=E2=80=A6" n'est pas assez explicite= . Par > ailleurs, le chapitre pr=C3=A9c=C3=A9dent commence aussi par "Working w= ith=E2=80=A6". > Par cons=C3=A9quent, je propose d'intervertir la description et le titr= e : > > * Citations and references > :PROPERTIES: > :DESCRIPTION: Working with other people's work > :END: > > - Il faut penser =C3=A0 mettre deux espaces entre deux phrases. > > - =3DOrg=3D -> Org > > - J'enl=C3=A8verais la partie introductive expliquant pourquoi il est uti= le > de citer le travail d'autrui. Ceci dit, il vaut mieux attendre l'avis > d'autres personnes concern=C3=A9es par la fonctionnalit=C3=A9. > > [ Emmanuel Charpentier : I think that this justification may be helpful t= o a lot of non-scholar org users, who could benefit from org-cite. Advice s= ollicited... ] > > - Je pense qu'il faut =C3=A9viter de parler ce "citation link", car cela = peut > engendrer de la confusion avec "link" qui est une structure proche, > mais diff=C3=A9rent. Peut-=C3=AAtre faut-il parler de "citation object"= . > > - Dans Texinfo, les phrases doivent =C3=AAtre s=C3=A9par=C3=A9es par deux= espaces. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > What still lacks : > > an explanation of the four possible functions of an engine ; > current functionalities of the currently available engines ; > an org-guide sized summary. > > > Anyone is welcome to propose modifications. Someone should take the task = of collating the propositions and consolidate a final text ; I am reluctant= to take this task, given my RL tasks... > > Comments, remarks, criticisms, lazzi, etc... all welcome. > > -- > Emmanuel Charpentier