From: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>
To: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>,
John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>,
org-mode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: org-cite citation commands
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:44:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF-FPGN_=CCg9YRN4MWJHcrkWPaKzNkZw9UX3AttgPZTP3WhSA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210717141605.2p6ja5awfm3qqda4@dalkati>
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:20 AM Vikas Rawal <vikasrawal@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Bruce and John. Indeed, I used biblatex with natbib=true
> option, which gives me citet and citep in biblatex. But using
> \autocite and \textcite is perfect.
>
> I am noticing a few other issues at this stage.
>
> I have a large biblatex database, and loading it using C-c C-x @ to
> insert citations seems very slow (have not managed to load it thus
> far). Org-ref used to be much faster in this. org-cite works fine with
> a smaller biblatex database. I don't know if others have had the same
> experience.
Give this a try:
https://github.com/bdarcus/bibtex-actions#org-cite
I hope to see similar "insert processors" for ivy-bibtex and helm-bibtex.
Bottomline, it's trivial to replace that "basic" processor with much
better options.
See discussion on:
https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref/issues/885
> I understand that oc-biblatex.el loads biblatex in the background,
> produces the citations and the bibliography, and inserts them in the
> exported output. In that case, what are the possibilities of using
> biblatex commands to configure the output?
To be precise, you mean what are the options to configure the
oc-biblatex export processor to use different or additional commands?
ATM, I don't believe there are any, and the alternative is to write
your own export processor, say basing it off the oc-biblatex one.
What, specifically, do you need, that is not currently supported?
The current processors are pretty comprehensive; see the note from Andras.
When designing this sort of thing, you basically have a choice.
You can just have styles that map directly to the output targets.
This has an obvious advantage if you only ever use one target.
But it has a major disadvantage if you want to use others.
So the approach we took here is to design a common set of styles and
substyles, and then map to output formats from there.
The result is the citations are more-or-less export format agnostic.
> I realise that these will
> not work since most of it would be LaTeX specific. Does that mean the
> users will have to work with CSL styles to format the output even if
> they are using oc-biblatex.el? I am still somewhat confused about how
> this is going to work.
CSL styles are analogous to BST files in bibtex; you use those with oc-csl.
When using that, citeproc-el handles the output processing, including for latex.
Basically, if you want consistent output formatting across latex and
other targets like HTML or OpenDocument, you want to use oc-csl.
Give it a try.
Note, though, that citeproc-el does not currently support cite/t or
some others, but that should be coming "soon".
HTH; let me know if anything is unclear.
Bruce
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-17 14:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-17 11:35 org-cite citation commands Vikas Rawal
2021-07-17 12:37 ` John Kitchin
2021-07-17 12:47 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-17 14:16 ` Vikas Rawal
2021-07-17 14:44 ` Bruce D'Arcus [this message]
2021-07-17 20:52 ` John Kitchin
2021-07-18 4:05 ` Vikas Rawal
2021-07-18 16:37 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-17 12:39 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-17 13:55 ` András Simonyi
2021-07-17 14:44 ` Vikas Rawal
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