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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620568291; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=zI68fcUmJNuC5BMdjw4Qrn4J9PYhQchWGfHBmYcyOO8=; b=EOrUzd3q3ZhvGgKQnSO4sGaP0fiHtEgVgLB1gEJ818rjrRrgoxzlSYWeLzUAac7N8nPzA8 +40TNTQpQN/htJMG1dkI6jeociXeOBeQfCAaxMBl+ToVe/8FbNjMtoFfYGNKUqhFAnOfYy BccSheuZFfVVDV4AquTf48pF1eYyFwv6x7Ots7x9gqhP3DoQKTqut4lSkwhm5Z6LmxmD6b DlYRUh+v83LPAzv2mCRxhHcJco+lU7kOf7h8JLC/V6qlPnWadQgMpk76JKTuq/KuRKbhpb G+O0yzIh3px103F+hANnBiOb+9Ety5eNnS/2xkzazKWT/ZYCZoytkXO3izbLpg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620568291; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=BqrPAPij6atC4ZRd6/DFLxoGTVhoa+h4R/k/zeoepps1G4YDTvEPN97rXV97wkaDervOQN JBh5NnXz+WiisrMC4QzM3d+3/41Vowc4vZsp/oaa40tQk/qP7p2l19hwa4WY3HBKOjM+In KIWbcqaQY3Yzw2IJ6TVfLUAiPntYX0E3Q6dADLJfty3ezloWfHOOOSym8qSzAFOoBUkCN6 itn22wcEsGBJ7k9mVRpkGZVOZpiMK3CPITVYg9nRFIpuy8kQaua7VQCGQfaURgjvcs8Id/ Kfpuc0kTQoTWPkvTJvh9xPGChAQIM4Yfmw6oE8kVqCkxXflFeD/i56zosF2HTg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sqvkHCls; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.15 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sqvkHCls; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2A51FC3E3 X-Spam-Score: -3.15 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: PSWHtKpQZ2GB On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 4:57 AM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 7:37 AM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > >> Also not sure if additional are needed for the other styles; a "caps" default? > > > > I can't figure this bit out though. > > > > '[cite:/Text@doe]' is obvious and elegant enough, but how do you do > > the same thing for default? > > This is no longer the default style, but a "caps" style, so it would be > > [cite/caps:...] Right. I tried to summarize the current state here: https://github.com/bdarcus/bibtex-actions/wiki/Org-cite#variants To bottom line it, seems the decision comes down to something like these three choices: 1. no change; keep sub-styles as they are ATM 2. change sub-styles to a simple string. So [cite/text/caps+full:...], where sub-style is the string "caps+full"; short cut would be something like [cite:/t/c+f:...] 2. remove sub-styles entirely; just have things like [cite/text+caps-full:...], where the style is "text+caps-full"; or with shortcuts [cite/t+c-f:...] Any of them seem reasonable to me. Maybe 2 is the best balance of flexibility and simplicity? Bruce