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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Org-Mode mailing list Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619019562; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=bAAzB5BS+h3aaC80TzznJ0mphowqYsmuuyEGEzAsFXE=; b=uS8QbThzOMKDfPnnUqcWU6avGl2AXpqe2uGFV+Muijug6VdeEHSe6AaMaRHo1o6u+ii12V YlPxAOvRg9/BaGbkKfhOw7thB9fEekmPx5ZucqUprV8av3F8TImiptx1FjpiRBRkVnI8Er QVUcYMYICNG5WqOSS+MKy+hTf48uQ2CpO/0qDBSFoeeLswus4wX1vxMzpsmASXzBfSvueP xvn4UR2hyTomWNu9pry3wYaCNsBFqImqiTLWCDhjMveIfXWVa6KJZCMqLg41ROG4wk2wL5 HuZ3Vg2z/ow8UMbnWpF5TtEuuxSFo7bWqFJEIMFqUpKo6ZHBMm/GyGsh/chhqQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619019562; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=qscp0LWmW+7MRzEii2UPZ++Vut30l1xqWFCjLq3dlYGNZt6FgEQsFmDfN0XMdMh/2IwPzq 8YHfg6tB+ac66BM02u7RKqk6jYhTBeq19mRu06KgxwuBLtflIaeKdXCbR5okliMy28+Zg9 U0ck2M6v+sAmd26Topj4w0JeV3SlOwhDF3LOVLNw0Ls7iJBZCPvKqgE3VHYbFn0L9SkM6C fRN15ahP6WnO2Dy1lZPC4R73m69SlIQNwmK3LA+ue6fHaYk07HydpVl0hxB2a05GALSJnE /SynKaWPk1psN2UOWFk18xVT76briJvKNkiBLFUAP5OEp1MXmZHfKNggcMv+Sw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=c4aeib1q; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.14 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=c4aeib1q; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B0E0318CEE X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Uq1B9TfOKOl1 I've been thinking about this general issue over the past year, as it's a common problem regardless of project, hosting platform, etc. I do agree in general that situations where submission of ideas and patches languish without attention are a problem. But while I don't think there are any easy answers, I do think clarity upfront can help. For example, perhaps there needs to be a prominent statement early on this page, which states upfront how the community vets new ideas or patches, what someone who submits such can expect, including in terms of timeline, and how to interpret lack of response? https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html Bruce