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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1628791692; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=W+dM6BMKWgS6NGonWAtk64nZ7WakKfFf2wt2rwbiH+Y=; b=kPCkVk9fr9rKfjDTgUZ2pP4Onp+zv8djSbClJXIRnQ4e2RLUlCDRfnauxwTnc3Rklr71bA 51743GLr1XCIRgHMaFEA97XPDU9KvnXRkEMyZGR/hDYtkxeQX54t306IAhlulmsVg0fyS5 M77BMvqz9G910BsTLf3ocfjXeGFwN15to3+rwaH259cFwDhJZQ4pkBfxb1ttCuzorqEh+M RbvbOzYIfSSsJmcAf/mqRHoWr/0At8STWx/r6V/pz3j+MpYvdZMKeDfKy/hmbnD0eA3coO 0LasyzQLyXBC7RfW/DFVaT/mHWTmV3E7f8Qf6W/vm3vRz1S9oKcPluUBW4Qdjw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1628791692; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=WF8CVePzix6sK++5OVrarOmciOb5uOyMyOcuDkncEWPlY0hElPoXRVDJNNMyUgw2PakzKf 96CzaFrRejt5E4FwCmMSxPDE+WKWMq+I92L2J3LAwWmrE+Q+Efr/ak2qP7X8meUUMX+Tci W1MokGvogTB4ELhYYJ59BBx+FgaMukhZmS3K7bUs07yy2nlLWAmzWT9011RBFAAoO3M/kZ 7MOwkAbwmbx9lelQc6gn5GPvmXKzYWdGigkzk1EKoEeOlqfvt/t2aIBH+4jWJMIwILr5H0 51LL11hSsj5vKrP11rNC/1XkzyF+SUCfe932qSe3w9cnIiWnACkYCUxiAdD9eQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=CsRx6Gnr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.11 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=CsRx6Gnr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B474B5707 X-Spam-Score: -2.11 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: CvTUbpTndhaB On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 1:19 PM John Kitchin wrote: > so, I guess I am in agreement that it is option 2, and that there needs to be a single entry point for each one. +1 So I guess open questions: 1. a new syntax that mirrors cite (and accompanying new cross-reference element?), per Timothy's suggestion, or reuse cite? I still think a new syntax and element is cleaner, but depends in part on ... 2. if the former, what new code would be required, and can some from OC (and maybe org-ref??) be reused somehow? if the latter, what changes to the OC code? A related question on syntax is if one ever needs multiple sub-references, as one does multi-cite citations? I was assuming no, so a hypothetical new syntax could be simpler than citations, but IDK. Of course these questions are only relevant if the org maintainers are open to them also. BTW, I thought this earlier post from Joost Kremers was interesting and relevant: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2021-07/msg00238.html Bruce