From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Alan E. Davis" Subject: Re: org-annotate/collaboration? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 23:09:54 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87wpd02b3s.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144514e46fc9e054813ac74 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60348) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbis0-0007At-Rc for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 02:10:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbirz-0003wD-G5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 02:10:20 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]:38100) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbirz-0003vg-7E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 02:10:19 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id r141so9898298wmg.1 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 23:10:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87wpd02b3s.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: org-mode --001a1144514e46fc9e054813ac74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for something a little different than this: annotated ls listings. I have been searching blindly for years for this. Back in the 90s was a Dos clone called 4dos, which featured directory listings with annotations, such that typing whatever the command was (dir?), gave a listing with the file name just like "dir" but also a description of the file. It was exceedingly useful for me, in keeping track of a large number of files. I have never seen anything like it. Could org-annotate fulfill at least part of this requirement? (I have posted to this list a similar question quite some years ago.) Alan Davis On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Matt Price writes: > > > Does anyone use org-annotate actively? I'm wondering what your > > workflow is, how you incorporate comments, etc. > > I wrote it, and I don't use it that much. I do use it for quick > notes-to-self when writing, but footnotes do the job just as well. > > > I'm hoping to embark on a book project with a colleague. I would like > > to use org-mode if I can, but I need to get a sense of the > > collaboration workflow. When you work on projects together, do you use > > annotations? Or git pull requests? If the latter, od you use any > > filters, or any magit tricks, to approve or modify suggested changes > > chunk by chunk? > > It's a huge problem, and one that org-annotate isn't going to solve. I > do a lot of manuscript editing, and passing files around, and have only > barely gotten some people to accept my "weird" workflow, which is to > send them a clean version of an edited file, and along with that an HTML > file containing htmlized word-diff output, where the insertions and > deletions are colorized. They make further edits on the clean copy, and > I do another go-around. It's a huge pain. > > > My colleague is familiar with markdown but for major projects has only > > ever used word. I'm trying to figure out how best to help her move to > > a text--based mode of production; the markdown ecosystem seems a lot > > larger, and I don't want the transition to be too painful. But OTOH I > > really want to stay in org if I can! > > I wish there were better solutions out there! > > Eric > > > --=20 [I do not] carry such information in my mind since it is readily available in books. =E2=80=A6The value of a college education is not the learning of many facts but the training of the mind to think. ---Albert Einstein "Sweet instruments hung up in cases. . . keep their sounds to themselves." ---Shakespeare, _Timon of Athens_ --001a1144514e46fc9e054813ac74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am looking for something a little di= fferent than this: annotated ls listings.=C2=A0 I have been searching blind= ly for years for this.=C2=A0

Back in the 90s was a Dos clone = called 4dos, which featured directory listings with annotations, such that = typing whatever the command was (dir?), gave a listing with the file name j= ust like "dir" but also a description of the file.=C2=A0

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It was exceedingly useful for me, in keeping track of a large number = of files.=C2=A0 I have never seen anything like it.

Could org-= annotate fulfill at least part of this requirement?=C2=A0 (I have posted to= this list a similar question quite some years ago.)

Alan Davi= s

On Wed= , Feb 8, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
Mat= t Price <moptop99@gmail.com>= ; writes:

> Does anyone use org-annotate actively? I'm wondering what your
> workflow is, how you incorporate comments, etc.

I wrote it, and I don't use it that much. I do use it for quick<= br> notes-to-self when writing, but footnotes do the job just as well.

> I'm hoping to embark on a book project with a colleague. I would l= ike
> to use org-mode if I can, but I need to get a sense of the
> collaboration workflow. When you work on projects together, do you use=
> annotations? Or git pull requests? If the latter, od you use any
> filters, or any magit tricks, to approve or modify suggested changes > chunk by chunk?

It's a huge problem, and one that org-annotate isn't going t= o solve. I
do a lot of manuscript editing, and passing files around, and have only
barely gotten some people to accept my "weird" workflow, which is= to
send them a clean version of an edited file, and along with that an HTML file containing htmlized word-diff output, where the insertions and
deletions are colorized. They make further edits on the clean copy, and
I do another go-around. It's a huge pain.

> My colleague is familiar with markdown but for major projects has only=
> ever used word. I'm trying to figure out how best to help her move= to
> a text--based mode of production; the markdown ecosystem seems a lot > larger, and I don't want the transition to be too painful. But OTO= H I
> really want to stay in org if I can!

I wish there were better solutions out there!

Eric





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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0---Shakespeare, _Timon of Athens_
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