To be brief, the tutorials and other parts of the worg webpages could do
with some updating.   Org-mode has been through a good amount of evolution.


One isolated example is the "remember" tutorials.  These could, at the
least, be marked with a paragraph inset at the top of the file: a statement
that this feature has been supplanted by the "Capture" feature, but that
the tutorial is still useful for basic usage ideas.

IMHO

Alan


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM, M <Elwood151@web.de> wrote:

> Hi Carsten & all,
>
> thanks for this good idea and the resulting discussion here!
>
> my 2 cents about the tutorials page:
> yes, I agree, that especially for absolute beginners (new to Emacs and new
> to org-mode) it would be helpful to have a very basic step by step
> tutorial.
> The list of "General introductions" is very long and quite confusing.
>
> How I came to using org-mode?
>
> I am a newby (at least I still feel like one, although I'm working with
> Emacs org-mode now for more than 1.5 years), so maybe my experience might
> help here.
>
> I was a GTD user at first using other "GUI oriented" GTD software like
> Thinking Rock, iGTD. iGTD had some problems and was not updated any more,
> so
> I started searching for a new tool  and found Charles Cave's GTD tutorials
> [1] (nearly 3 years ago, it seems!) and then started using org-mode since
> Jan 2012.
> I then found Bernt Hansen's excellent site and used his setup [2] for my
> first steps with org-mode, but it was very hard to adapt the agendas and
> settings to my needs (and I'm still struggling).
> Furthermore, Sacha Chua's blog is very interesting and I'm often looking at
> the worg tutorials page.
>
> So my first interest was todo/task/project management, but I quickly became
> interested in note-taking, exporting, attachments, dired, bookmarks,
> linking, ...
>
> My problems were (and still are):
> a) I am one of those users, which have never been really working with Emacs
> before, so at the beginning, it's very hard to understand the concept and
> basic commands.
> Many tutorials take for granted a lot of knowledge.
>
> b) I'm using two different OS's (Windows 7 at work and OS X 10.6 at home),
> each one has its own problems when setting up advanced features.
> It is especially difficult, to set up an efficient workflow to integrate MS
> Outlook (Mails/Calendar) and Emacs org-mode...
>
> c) I'm only an engineer, not a professional programmer. My knowledge about
> programming in general and elisp and Emacs configuration is still very
> limited, unfortunately. see a)
>
> [1] http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles57/GTD/gtd_workflow.html
> [2] http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html
>
> Nevertheless thank you for this great tool and all the work you all put in
> maintaining, extending, documenting and helping!
> Org-mode changed my way of working and I never was so close to having a
> good
> and efficient system as I am now with org-mode. (as soon as long as I don't
> have to search for the solution of a problem :( )
>
> Kind regards
>
> Martin
>
>
> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > and came away with the feeling that that this page has become
> > somewhat useless for people who are really new to Org.
> >
> > Can we have a discussion here on how this path should look like?
> > When you came to Org-mode as a newby, what were the three resources
> > that really made an impression on by being accessible and
> > providing feel and promise for digging deeper?
>
>
>
>
>