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I am lost. A plethora of methods exist for installing org-mode and other packages; it is unnecessary to list them, even if I could. I've been using Emacs and Org-mode for many years. I am not interested in spending an hour of my time to learn a new way to install something that has been working well for me. I may not use org-mode with the facility of a programmer who can whip off a quick utility in emacs lisp, but I have come to depend on the basic tools as a core of my work flow. I have tried "use package", but I would prefer something straightforward, like just list-packages then install. I don't understand how to set up my init file (dot emacs) for various package repos. It was working, that's all I needed. Now I get a 5 second delay each time I use org-mode. I cannot seem to find the information I need to fix this. On reddit, on emacs wiki, on this list, I cannot find the magic search term. I see advice like "the maintainer has written a very clear explanation of the issue" but,this very clear explanation does not help me understand what I need to do. I guess I need a formula, but I have cut and pasted two or three different things into the top of my .init file. Perhaps I need to start again, but my .init file has been taking root for nearly 30 years; it's burned into my muscle memory. I hope I will never have to write another email like this to get help for something that should be simple. Maybe I will now have to install from git. I think I am already too far out at sea to abandon the packages approach. I guess it serves me right for stepping off the beach. Alan Davis -- "As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we *should be glad of an opportunity to serve others* by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." ---Benjamin Franklin "This ignorance about the limits of the earth's ability to absorb pollutants should be reason enough for caution in the release of polluting substances." ---Meadows et al. 1972. Limits to Growth . (p. 81) --00000000000025dac305d1df11d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have just spent an hour trying to figure out what&#= 39;s going on with ELPA, GNU ELPA, NONGNU ELPA packages.=C2=A0 I am lost.

A plethora of methods exist for installing org-mode= and other packages; it is unnecessary to list them, even if I could.
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I've been using Emacs and Org-mode for many years.= =C2=A0 I am not interested in spending an hour of my time to learn a new wa= y to install something that has been working well for me.=C2=A0 I may not u= se org-mode with the facility of a programmer who can whip off a quick util= ity in emacs lisp, but I have come to depend on the basic tools as a core o= f my work flow.

I have tried "use package&quo= t;,=C2=A0 but I would prefer something straightforward, like just list-pack= ages then install.=C2=A0 I don't understand how to set up my init file = (dot emacs) for various package repos.=C2=A0 It was working, that's all= I needed.=C2=A0 Now I get a 5 second delay each time I use org-mode.=C2=A0= I cannot seem to find the information I need to fix this.=C2=A0 On reddit,= on emacs wiki, on this list, I cannot find the magic search term.=C2=A0 I = see advice like "the maintainer has written a very clear explanation o= f the issue" but,this very clear explanation does not help me understa= nd what I need to do.

I guess I need a formula, bu= t I have cut and pasted two or three different things into the top of my .i= nit file.=C2=A0 Perhaps I need to start again, but my .init file has been t= aking root for nearly 30 years; it's burned into my muscle memory.
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I hope I will never have to write another email li= ke this to get help for something that should be simple.=C2=A0 Maybe I will= now have to install from git.=C2=A0 I think I am already too far out at se= a to abandon the packages approach.=C2=A0 I guess it serves me right for st= epping off the beach.


Alan Davi= s

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