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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
To: Jean-Christophe Helary <jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org>
Cc: Org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: org 9.2.6 and org 9.1.9
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:18:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkmk_hDiSuXtc0KEOE7Kq-hDuEYkiTfrm3WyaCnHJ7Oa_TA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DD9FC15D-B08D-449E-AA0E-493AEA1B7743@traduction-libre.org>

Jean-Christophe Helary <jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org> writes:

> > Yes, it is a bit of dependency hell.
> I see 2 solutions here:
> 1) org is only provided as a built-in package and updated there when necessary

Even if we removed it from GNU ELPA, nothing stops unofficial packages
from cropping up when users want to run the latest and greatest.
Users of such packages would then report bugs when things broke, and
we would be back where we started.

(BTW, there already is a separate package archive on https://orgmode.org/elpa/.)

> 2) org is removed from the built in packages

Option 2 would be extremely unfortunate, to put it mildly.  It would
leave a lot of users without functionality they've come to expect and
depend on to be there in the default install.  GNU ELPA is not always
a practical alternative (just to give one example, on servers or
networks not connected to the internet).

And even if we remove org-mode, who is to say that other packages
won't see the same issues in the future?  Should we just accept that
we have to remove any package from Emacs which runs into this?

IMO, let's work on fixing the underlying problems instead.  Elsewhere
in this thread, Stefan Monnier and others has pointed out what needs
to be done: now we need to figure out how to do it.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-27  6:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-24 13:37 Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-11-26 19:15 ` Nick Dokos
2019-11-26 21:41   ` Tim Cross
2019-11-27  2:59     ` Cook, Malcolm
2019-11-27  3:13       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-11-27  6:18         ` Stefan Kangas [this message]
2019-11-27 13:23       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-27 17:20         ` Cook, Malcolm
2019-11-27 21:51           ` Tim Cross
2019-11-27 22:01           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-26 23:14   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-11-27  3:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-27  5:43       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-11-27  6:00         ` Tim Cross
2019-11-27  6:29           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-27  6:42             ` Tim Cross
2019-11-27 10:11               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-27 13:21               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-27 15:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27  7:04           ` Fraga, Eric
2019-11-27  6:34       ` Stefan Kangas

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