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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1672740177; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Q62CcTmP/nTnpQHWWh6c/Qs316Dilqtr/dDn14Uq87IEVO6nWrie2LCcerU4jeXybuW6Sz 0r22sBasXC/C/T+zFs8PFbh3a8bWaAeMRxI/KkFdPKyC6nnaxyXU7sMeM5K8p9ogfw/CvL iFjnwwtdnPKIDWa35V9BMFoSbI7f4d/ahAPsUvCxRoXZ1N01HIFN+uVGM6416bJ8W54GLa RZ0UlFzbg2EryM9VjWC9Nh4YWgKUyb5Tt5HoE5w8CHRV3unap8u6BfGyKJ6MVAsljdnCxF 036JUtaRQOyWBwKDWBBTl3/Z3Mop1HfZGWlxqGWfmAaqro1WDtDQGGL5iDx7kw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=GbvX55xa; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1672740177; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=A/kMxx6nSlvPYF3LrM0xOUz41o0850PYI3pZRu6h2a4=; b=P4TMnz5Zp0KHSNQCXMQChSbR/w+3GmaWsdoWzDG/6u+LUYKjR5T43Yx5Rx3FJD4nAepnoH aK1Pyw9Bef40v5fhRQ0uXGW1QZD79ZeLu7DkJ0WUI/fxI4lbf8IcyHKT9ED00h3BMMwP2h JiskamRqp3E+wWAtyGncrOqjIkzPeqVFXAyYEVOUDzL5f+3+0N4YVnHikya0DqsGIF2L3b BLLXCOgyykAbSk/hBEf6+/leL1CZZtE+ENadMHws23JkcJ3dknUoFRW3g4Q6L6vR7lb9iZ ZZgrV8eVTADDfee+odSu2N0sdbQzzwcppjG3Ohg3q+uZsdSK3eyJPrFwxG9xXA== X-Spam-Score: -6.96 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 14D1444D9E Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=GbvX55xa; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.96 X-TUID: r+UacAwfCG+S On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 06:47, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > Eduardo Ochs writes: > > > (3) _is_ my experience with the Org mailing list. > > > > What I meant by "the developers like your questions" was roughly: > > "recognizing that that person deserves help, and giving him tools that > > would let him solve his problems in hours instead of in months or > > years". > > > > For example, in this thread > > > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2021-12/msg00674.html > > To be fair, your another message copy got some replies: > https://list.orgmode.org/CADs++6j+oPnSA8pO7_sbCTmhOg5v_BEzkr6vBB1ECfHBprKmFQ@mail.gmail.com/ > > > no one considered that if I was asking that then maybe it would be a > > good idea to make `org-export-dispatch' more hackeable by beginners... > > In any case, we are here now, after the discussion resurfaced. > > > For example, someone could have said "can you try this? Copy that > > function to other file, replace its lines foo and bar by the lines > > plic and bletch, and use the ideas in these two blog posts to debug > > and inspect its data structures"... but no, that didn't happen - I've > > asked lots of technical questions here over the years and never got > > detailed answers like that, only answers whose technical details _were > > kept as short as possible_, and whose explanations were much closer to > > "in English" than to "in Lisp". > > I recommend following up on the replies if you find them incomplete. > > There are no guarantees that exhaustive detailed replies will be given - > they take a lot of time to write and are often not necessary. > > > A few days ago I added subtitles to my video about "Org for > > Non-Users". The links are here, > > > > http://angg.twu.net/2021-org-for-non-users.html > > > > and some people will prefer to just read this: > > > > http://angg.twu.net/eev-videos/2021-org-for-non-users.vtt > > http://angg.twu.net/SUBTITLES/2021-org-for-non-users.lua.html > > > > It explains with examples how a "non-user" thinks, and it shows what I > > mean by "explanations in Lisp". > > I get it, but you cannot force me to reply like this. I simply do not > think this way - when I try to reply to questions on ML, I do it the way > I can. I cannot adapt the explanation style that is foreign to me. > > If you find something in mine (or other's) replies not clear, just ask > to clarify. Ok, let me try something else. Can you send to me - here to the mailing list - a version of `org-export-dispatch', and also of other functions if needed, in which the parts that call `read-char-exclusive' are replaced by something non-blocking? Thanks in advance =), Eduardo Ochs