From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id wDjTC1UetWKBEAAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:15:49 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id MCDbC1UetWJjhAEA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:15:49 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B131C36CFB for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:15:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:56914 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4YrL-0003UJ-53 for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 22:15:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45370) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Ypp-0003Tu-BM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 22:14:13 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-x12e.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::12e]:42638) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Ypm-0004oB-AI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 22:14:11 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-x12e.google.com with SMTP id g4so2013081lfv.9 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 19:14:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1pvzCM40tV0zdE9hw58A2QNtNvlRikqhntgg2Xrdxm0=; b=H6qNIq+SjsDQCg/HOIspPy303qvvbo4+N74IwbOLwLIm9UYjayFoIldVfPqc+Lmb1u Y5HIjq2UbRJHx9Gqr9AbBDQQhVVYHEzVtGjbM4ZtnmS2jnfH0NBcsBSIrvdrg2HKuiaX N7izNj5LlryAJScW0YMYiMZXrS0ziMd2zWLBZqMPvvtDbeIkNeJEy1CAXi/fmECkYJC4 L2kEQqoAcmelGD7v0NoRE/ysDcWjcHPF9POPn/5avnluHaWLPBiGnoZEaziLAcLiIdkc 8yfqb6XZJs4lDirVCFY33sXH/+Q35Eoe1adS8zMcEe+XtcrDzgX+b5xqRg6SWPkZhzoC u/rA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1pvzCM40tV0zdE9hw58A2QNtNvlRikqhntgg2Xrdxm0=; b=JnTZWw/sTowt18uNKCYzQHEaPrPvpCAOgEVj5LvTj9XUXw5z5ebNPepfcKFNZlkmk+ ZKSzyLF0sVe4XP0eOyinVnj45OojqpzZWtb66SgJUqbP6zbFgKVleCBJq9Obv69i7DZv FYZPTniQk0s71MeiTGLo29FbO6t7YAzVWZ8sMaAy5NFHaOpyZhtrBsyRO3pckr2xN7LY nNJNd5pSz8aMAGX1UMOsrhB7b/FivXpcMoforJBhb5Db8q/pVjJx8UKcYFR6z65NY1+K wJbsNsTCAwU/sbxE0ZymlttOdpEhzIyIUd9U8pB1eho1zHxf+X6mARM8cgN33s/82SwP nvvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora9s8akbHpKC/vctVhSVCsa6zY3FZFKH0u7t9sbifZmfLT1bADis bB0iCjg6YQtYvtfBfeUCk+6zCJX3tYkDvMHMNLY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1u2rnWYvTyoAaL6DG50qVut1vNleI/BVg1jfs6sxHSpBimsw1NL/RXzcucgESX3RfkVYe+RcNpjC/g/MM1zAIU= X-Received: by 2002:a19:9111:0:b0:47f:852a:fda5 with SMTP id t17-20020a199111000000b0047f852afda5mr7139020lfd.68.1656036847707; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 19:14:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Eduardo Ochs Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 23:13:56 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Org and Hyperbole To: Robert Weiner Cc: emacs-org list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::12e; envelope-from=eduardoochs@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x12e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656036948; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=1pvzCM40tV0zdE9hw58A2QNtNvlRikqhntgg2Xrdxm0=; b=m+hEFBzM2G9mWCCvGBQOqBLSH5PJNDMpDdL70A7OikXZn3xPLuY6YV+F7XkZQhSWizcuXs xfv+Vgem6+6WExwMtJPVCSPYIsMppvSKZ4BeFzuqf+pVvcuFvG9MCQJaVOKUKC4ZgABjvD SMzGKZ5ybgCjYKRj25Ym7hchdL514d7IIuGhuU4nslqa0IurvzL/+FP7rWFwSdwJ2+IzRv 7q7izU5h5geFF0Tj4QdjDbiiHUXdEx1SwPsc0I1TJuXJQqTvusS2dFPtP9WK+1l/zflsoh mWmzfFhoShAFq6sLePU2kwNOEMzwexLrbV10syesBhT0sO72EL2Psf0V5Tq4bg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656036948; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nWIZS1o0j8AW8w/SFDVEFrBiEo6hK11dKx+hzCzXmH2+gUZMtWVI4IN6915FBXYG7NO7Rs I+g0OO4tZYpsUUaFtbHYnA1gamW5D6qIIAP/WxqZwKjQgkadeaPQpmRl91Q5MDUgOJPaT8 CWB9RUhdRI/X2tZ9a9WT3XGziN3zahJ0zl8Myf+8RkemNLwJcpZ687eb8GejPBKvZUqPRG MUglvL2sc1R8MATDykOEG1wpHTbnjDMAi/PV2m0r70eee1pTL8Zvm1n+gGngYrRh6GBAWm RSJtchwfbofD0keo5MKSX5PdkeGucp2L5LMupYlz5g6Pb9RE8UwZJu6OAiYDiA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=H6qNIq+S; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.76 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=H6qNIq+S; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B131C36CFB X-Spam-Score: -5.76 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: wrf326Bde3u3 On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 22:47, Robert Weiner wrote: > > I am the author of Hyperbole and would be happy to answer questions > concerning Hyperbole today (so you don't have to answer based on > experience from the 1990s). Hyperbole has been modernized for use > with Org mode and Emacs 28 and continues to develop. There are videos > that demonstrate some of its features in simple, understandable ways. > Hyperbole is a single Emacs package that can be installed and > uninstalled quickly for testing. It is largely a global minor mode, > so you can also disable it quickly if you ever care to. In 20 minutes > you can get through the builtin, interactive demo and be on your way > to basic yet powerful usage. We have listened to much feedback in the > last few years and made it much more approachable. Hi Robert, can you show us a sexp that will disable Hyperbole completely, and that we can execute with our favorite variants of `C-x C-e'? I know that this page (info "(hyperbole)Default Hyperbole Bindings") has this paragraph, {C-h h} {C-h h X} Hyperbole Mini Menu: Enable Hyperbole minor mode and invoke the Hyperbole minibuffer menu, giving access to many Hyperbole commands. This is bound globally. Use {C-h h X} to close the Hyperbole minibuffer menu and disable Hyperbole minor mode. and apparently these sexps toggle Hyperbole minor mode, (hyperbole-mode 1) (hyperbole-mode 0) but even when I toggle it off the global binding for `C-h h' remains active... Thanks in advance. My notes on Hyperbole are here, http://angg.twu.net/hyperbole.html and there is some material on why I find Hyperbole too "magic" in these two links: http://angg.twu.net/2021-org-for-non-users.html http://angg.twu.net/eev-wconfig.html [[]], Eduardo Ochs http://angg.twu.net/#eev