Dear all,

I'd hate to see Org removed from Emacs.  It took a lot of work to get it
in, and I believe that the vast majority of Emacs users does not install
packages.  For a newbie to get to Emacs and to be able to open a .org file
is a big plus.  So my vote goes toward keeping it in.

Carsten

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:22 AM, <aaermolov@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2 cents from me...
>
> Besides I continuously see many users praising Emacs just for Org
> presence (they even may be completely non-technical users), I'm
> personally think Org may be removed from Emacs distribution because:
>
> 1) all Reuben's argument seems sane;
> 2) there are situations when someone wants particular version of Org,
>    and it may be not tne one bundled with Emacs. In this case someone
>    should perform extra steps to ensure things are going the right way.
>    When Org will be available only from ELPA, it will be SPOT for such
> cases.
>
> Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> writes:
>
> > Now that Emacs has had package.el for some years, and Org is installable
> > directly from GNU ELPA, would it be a good idea to remove Org from
> Emacs's
> > source repository?
> >
> > The current situation is left over from before Emacs had package.el, and
> I
> > see no compelling reason to keep it. Org is too big and distinct to be
> > swallowed by Emacs; it doesn't make much sense to keep its current
> half-in,
> > half-out state; so logically it seems sensible to take it out.
> >
> > I am asking this question from an Org point of view; I will ask the Emacs
> > maintainers separately for their perspective.
> >
> > I think it would benefit Emacs too, as there would be less code to
> maintain
> > (even though Org is quasi-external at present, it still has to build
> > successfully as part of an Emacs build), and the Emacs distribution would
> > be slimmer for non-Org users.
> >
> > Of course, Emacs "distributions" would still be able to include Org
> > out-of-the box if they wished.
> >
> > --
> > http://rrt.sc3d.org
>