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[180.150.91.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z21sm61121pfr.77.2020.05.19.10.03.52 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 May 2020 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 01:03:50 +0800 From: Timothy To: "=?utf-8?Q?emacs-orgmode=40gnu.org?=" Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?emacs-orgmode=40gnu.org?=" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20200519165720.GQ30250@volibear> References: <20200519165720.GQ30250@volibear> Subject: Re: issue tracker? X-Mailer: Mailspring MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::541; envelope-from=tecosaur@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x541.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=jJsJljYx; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.70 X-TUID: /jhJUsqMYYHo If you don't mind me adding 2 more cents :P I don't think that email should be given up in favour of a web client, or that it isn't better in many ways. However, if it were possible to have the best of both worlds, is there a reason why we'd say no=3F Just taking a guess here, but I imagine it should be possible to sync up a public issue tracker to the mailing list.= I may have missed something, or be barking up the wrong tree, but those are my current thoughts :) On May 20 2020, at 12:57 am, Russell Adams = wrote: > I can't help but chime in here. Using email for project management, pat= ches, > testing, etc is not difficult or unusual. > =20 > In fact, the Linux kernel uses email for this purpose. They have a > variety of > reasons which were recently covered in some articles. Clearly their > code base > and number of developers is overwhelmingly larger than Org, so we must > be doing > something right. > =20 > https://lwn.net/Articles/702177/ > =20 > https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2016/talks/patches-carved-into-stone-tabl= ets/ > =20 > My personal opinion is I'd always prefer to use my mail client over som= e > website. I've personally chosen what I think is the best mail client, > where I > can easily sort and read mail from mailing lists. It has a fast > interface, easy > to read, and is incredibly consistent (yay Mutt=21). I can also rapidly= > edit (in > Emacs=21) my replies. I can send an email in a matter of keystrokes, bl= indly > typing. > =20 > Compare that to most websites where I have to wait forever for all the = crap > javascript to load, forfeit my privacy to all the trackers and > cookies, and then > manage to figure out how their site works. Once done I'm thrown into a > significantly inferior editor box to try and type or paste information > in. =46rom > that point, I can only use their website to manage my submission. > =20 > The irony that these websites will often notify me *by email* that > something has > occurred. > =20 > I clearly don't agree that adding a website somehow makes issue > tracking or > patch submission magically easier to manage or submit bug information c= ompared > to email. > =20 > If you have feedback, please don't hesitate to just send an email to > the list > with your questions or comments. This is easily one of my favorite > lists and > very welcoming even to controversial opinions. > =20 > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:58:26AM -0400, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: >> Regardless, doing issue tracking, discussion, and patch submission on >> a ML >> in 2020 is pretty odd and inefficient. >> =20 >> I would have submitted feedback here 6-12 months earlier than I did >> if org >> had a proper issue tracker. >> =20 >> On Tue, May 19, 2020, 3:35 AM wrote: >> =20 >> > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 06:13:38PM -0500, James R Miller wrote: >> > > Doesn=E2=80=99t Gogs have a nice issue tracker functionality=3F >> > >> > I looked up Gogs. Needs javascript *and* cookies. Wake me up when >> > there's a plain, straight service which works without any of them. >> > >> > Cheers >> > -- t >> > > =20 > =20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Russell Adams RLAdams=40AdamsInfoServ.com > =20 > PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ > =20 > =46ingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557=46 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 > =20 >