From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset Subject: Re: org-ref in action Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:55:48 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wqc4wxbe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fvisbhnb.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11339ae4d01cea04fccbcdc6 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42304) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Q4x-0003pS-2G for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 02:56:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Q4v-0004gR-BM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 02:56:11 -0400 Received: from mail-ve0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22c]:51431) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Q4v-0004gN-5d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 02:56:09 -0400 Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jz11so4850685veb.31 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 23:56:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: John Kitchin Cc: Matt Lundin , Fabrice Popineau , "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , Eric Schulte --001a11339ae4d01cea04fccbcdc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jonhn, hello the list, I have already used org-bibtex (and ox-bibtex) and I have just tried to use org-ref . Is it possible that a conflict exists between the former(s) and the latter? My links for example are not clickable and the link to the default bibliography does not work at all... But I have started from an older org file used with org-bibtex. Your help is welcome : could you show us a minimal file in order to test org-ref ? Best wishes, Jo. 2014-06-26 14:48 GMT+02:00 John Kitchin : > Some features could be merged, but there is an important difference in > that org-ref uses bibtex as the backend database, and reftex for searchin= g, > and org-bibtex uses org-mode headings as the backend database, and > tag/property searches (I think). It is like the difference between > org-contacts and bbdb. They both serve similar needs, but with different > data sources, and different ways to think about it. > > We might be able to figure out a way to specify a "backend" that would > allow the independent features to work in both though. > > John > > ----------------------------------- > John Kitchin > Associate Professor > Doherty Hall A207F > Department of Chemical Engineering > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > 412-268-7803 > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu > > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Fabrice Popineau < > fabrice.popineau@supelec.fr> wrote: > >> >> +1 for org-bibtex (and ox-bibtex) that I'm using for a couple of years. >> >> But org-ref seems to go further (video is convincing). >> It would be really nice to merge org-ref and org-bibtex before they spli= t >> too far apart. >> Wishful thinking from me because I don't see that I'm in position to do >> it. >> >> Fabrice >> >> >> 2014-06-26 3:10 GMT+02:00 Matt Lundin : >> >> Eric Schulte writes: >>> >>> > >>> > This is a lot of useful functionality, and very nicely presented. >>> > >>> > Did you happen to try the built in bibtex support in Org-mode core an= d >>> > contrib? And if so, is there a reason that you implemented this all >>> > independently? >>> > >>> > I think part of the problem with existing Org-mode bibtex support is >>> > that no-one knows it exists. >>> >>> Well, you can count on one big fan of org-bibtex.el here! (Though I mus= t >>> admit that I have not used ox-bibtex.el.) >>> >>> > To help address this I threw up a very quick-and-dirty screen cast >>> > demonstrating some of Org's existing bibtex functionality. >>> > >>> > https://vimeo.com/99167082 >>> >>> Thanks! Over the years, I've particularly appreciated the way >>> org-bibtex.el makes it easy to keep bib data together with notes/todos. >>> Both org-bibtex-read and org-bibtex-yank have become indispensable to m= y >>> own workflow. >>> >>> Best, >>> Matt >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fabrice Popineau >> ----------------------------- >> SUPELEC >> D=C3=A9partement Informatique >> 3, rue Joliot Curie >> 91192 Gif/Yvette Cedex >> Tel direct : +33 (0) 169851950 >> Standard : +33 (0) 169851212 >> ------------------------------ >> >> > --001a11339ae4d01cea04fccbcdc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Jonhn, hello the list,

I have already used org-bibtex (and ox-bibtex) and I have just tried to= use org-ref . Is it possible that a conflict exists between the former(s) = and the latter?
My links for example are not clickable and the link to the default bi= bliography does not work at all... But I have started from an older org fil= e used with org-bibtex.

Your help is welcome : could you show= us a minimal file in order=C2=A0 to test org-ref ?

Best wishes,

Jo. =C2=A0




2014-06-26 14:48 = GMT+02:00 John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>:
Some features could be merg= ed, but there is an important difference in that org-ref uses bibtex as the= backend database, and reftex for searching, and org-bibtex uses org-mode h= eadings as the backend database, and tag/property searches (I think). =C2= =A0It is like the difference between org-contacts and bbdb. They both serve= similar needs, but with different data sources, and different ways to thin= k about it.

We might be able to figure out a way to specify a "back= end" that would allow the independent features to work in both though.=

John

-----------------------------------
John Kitchin
Associat= e Professor
Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
= Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-7803
http://kitc= hingroup.cheme.cmu.edu



On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Fabrice= Popineau <fabrice.popineau@supelec.fr> wrote:
=

+1 for org-bibtex (and ox-bibtex) that I'm us= ing for a couple of years.

But org-ref seems to go further (video is= convincing).=C2=A0
It would be really nice to merge org-ref and = org-bibtex before they split too far apart.
Wishful thinking from me because I don't see that I'm in posit= ion to do it.

Fabrice


2014-06-26 3:10 GMT+02:00 Matt= Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org>:

Eric Schulte <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes= :

>
> This is a lot of useful functionality, and very nicely presented.
>
> Did you happen to try the built in bibtex support in Org-mode core and=
> contrib? =C2=A0And if so, is there a reason that you implemented this = all
> independently?
>
> I think part of the problem with existing Org-mode bibtex support is > that no-one knows it exists.

Well, you can count on one big fan of org-bibtex.el here! (Though I m= ust
admit that I have not used ox-bibtex.el.)

> To help address this I threw up a very quick-and-dirty screen cast
> demonstrating some of Org's existing bibtex functionality.
>
> https://vimeo= .com/99167082

Thanks! Over the years, I've particularly appreciated the way
org-bibtex.el makes it easy to keep bib data together with notes/todos.
Both org-bibtex-read and org-bibtex-yank have become indispensable to my own workflow.

Best,
Matt




--
Fabrice Popineau
-----------------------= ------
SUPELEC
D=C3=A9partement Informatique
3, rue Joliot Curie
91192 Gif/Yvette Cedex
Tel direct : +33 (0) 169851950
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