From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pascal Fleury Subject: Re: Structuring and (cross)linking information in org-mode Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:25:57 +0200 Message-ID: References: <0C6EB88C-208A-4378-8475-B39A6D40F9D3@daniel-hertrich.photo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ce90c34a2030519f7aa18 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43069) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZB034-0005KV-OA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 08:26:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZB033-00047l-1S for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 08:26:30 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]:34309) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZB032-00047W-Qp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 08:26:28 -0400 Received: by obbkm3 with SMTP id km3so68412898obb.1 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 05:26:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0C6EB88C-208A-4378-8475-B39A6D40F9D3@daniel-hertrich.photo> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Daniel Hertrich Cc: emacs-org list --001a113ce90c34a2030519f7aa18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think properties can be used for this. I personally like the org-secretary module, described nicely here by the author: http://juanreyero.com/article/emacs/org-teams.html Also, personalized agendas for your entire set of org-files is useful here. --paf On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Daniel Hertrich < daniel@daniel-hertrich.photo> wrote: > Hi all, > > I=E2=80=99m new to this mailing list and very eager to see what=E2=80=99s= up in here. Is > it still active? I hope so. Emacs is old, but it seems that still many > people use it. > > So am I. After trying many different approaches to organizing information > and tasks, I=E2=80=99m now looking into Emacs / org-mode, because I like = the > efficient keyboard-centric text-mode way of working. > > One question that I did not find a satisfactory answer for on my numerous > days of research about Emacs / org-mode (however, maybe I =E2=80=9Edon=E2= =80=99t see the > wood for the trees=E2=80=9C): > > I want to mix information and tasks in one file. That=E2=80=99s how it=E2= =80=99s supposed > to be, as far as I understand. > I want to enter information as a journal, relatively strictly. So if I ad= d > a note to an appointment, I=E2=80=99d like to add that note not in the fi= le area of > that appointment, but to the end of the file, crosslinking the appointmen= t > and the new note. Is there a way to achieve that easily? > > I know how to make tasks with the org-todo-keywords. > Now I want to mark chunks of information in that file in a similar way, > but keep it outside of the task workflow. I=E2=80=99d like to have that i= nformation > accessible and finable easily, and I want to differentiate different kind= s > of information. > > Quick example: > > * TODO This is my first task > Some task description goes here > > * MEETINGNOTE of meeting 2015-07-02 MyCompany > ** participants > *** =E2=80=94> John Doe > *** =E2=80=94> Mary Sample > ** Goal > This is the description of meeting goal > ** Outcome > Outcome of the meeting > > > * PERSON John Doe > Street address > email address > telephone > > * COMPANY MyCompany > address > field of operation > employees: > - John Doe > - Mary Sample > > * INFO 2015-07-01 John Doe does not want to work with Emacs > > * NOTE 2015-07-02 16:20 called John on the phone > here go some notes about the telephone call with John > > > > So for example: > > - I=E2=80=99d like to have all the info (cross)linked, so that if I click= e.g. on > any occurrence of =E2=80=9EJohn Doe=E2=80=9C I=E2=80=99d like to see a li= st of matches that mention > John Doe: his PERSON entry, the notes of meetings he participated, the > company he is an employee of etc. How can I mark up info in a way that > Emacs or org links such info? Or isn=E2=80=99t this possible? Do I have t= o use > Gnowsys or something like that for this? > > - I=E2=80=99d like to be able to search all =E2=80=9EPERSON=E2=80=9C entr= ies for a specific name. > > - I=E2=80=99d like to be able to archive chunks of information, e.g. a ME= ETINGNOTE > that=E2=80=99s obsolete, equally as I can do it with tasks > > - I=E2=80=99d like to filter, i.e. have Emacs only show me e.g. the =E2= =80=9EMEETINGNOTES=E2=80=9C > entries with all their text, but filter out everything else. Maybe even > only =E2=80=9EMEETINGNOTES=E2=80=9C with tag =E2=80=9EXY=E2=80=9C=E2=80= =A6 combined filtering. Possible via Agenda, > as I understand it, at least partially. Matching tags and combinations of > tags etc. > > Fot those of you who owned (or still own) a HP 200LX Palmtop and use > Andreas Garzotto=E2=80=99s excellent PIM/PE on it (PE was a text editor t= hat was > partially inspired by Emacs and PIM was quite similar to org-mode, althou= gh > PIM existed prior to org-mode): I=E2=80=99d like to do something similar = with Emacs > / org that was possible with PIM/PE. :-) > > Thanks for any hints, pointers and ideas, > > Daniel > > > --001a113ce90c34a2030519f7aa18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think properties can be used for this. I personally like= the org-secretary module, described nicely here by the author:=C2=A0http://juanreyero.= com/article/emacs/org-teams.html
Also, personalized agendas f= or your entire set of org-files is useful here.
--paf
=

On Fri, Jul 3, 20= 15 at 10:47 AM, Daniel Hertrich <daniel@daniel-hertrich.photo> wrote:
Hi all,

I=E2=80=99m new to this mailing list and very eager to see what=E2=80=99s u= p in here. Is it still active? I hope so. Emacs is old, but it seems that s= till many people use it.

So am I. After trying many different approaches to organizing information a= nd tasks, I=E2=80=99m now looking into Emacs / org-mode, because I like the= efficient keyboard-centric text-mode way of working.

One question that I did not find a satisfactory answer for on my numerous d= ays of research about Emacs / org-mode (however, maybe I =E2=80=9Edon=E2=80= =99t see the wood for the trees=E2=80=9C):

I want to mix information and tasks in one file. That=E2=80=99s how it=E2= =80=99s supposed to be, as far as I understand.
I want to enter information as a journal, relatively strictly. So if I add = a note to an appointment, I=E2=80=99d like to add that note not in the file= area of that appointment, but to the end of the file, crosslinking the app= ointment and the new note. Is there a way to achieve that easily?

I know how to make tasks with the org-todo-keywords.
Now I want to mark chunks of information in that file in a similar way, but= keep it outside of the task workflow. I=E2=80=99d like to have that inform= ation accessible and finable easily, and I want to differentiate different = kinds of information.

Quick example:

* TODO This is my first task
Some task description goes here

* MEETINGNOTE of meeting 2015-07-02 MyCompany
** participants
*** =E2=80=94> John Doe
*** =E2=80=94> Mary Sample
** Goal
This is the description of meeting goal
** Outcome
Outcome of the meeting


* PERSON John Doe
Street address
email address
telephone

* COMPANY MyCompany
address
field of operation
employees:
- John Doe
- Mary Sample

* INFO 2015-07-01 John Doe does not want to work with Emacs

* NOTE 2015-07-02 16:20 called John on the phone
here go some notes about the telephone call with John



So for example:

- I=E2=80=99d like to have all the info (cross)linked, so that if I click e= .g. on any occurrence of =E2=80=9EJohn Doe=E2=80=9C I=E2=80=99d like to see= a list of matches that mention John Doe: his PERSON entry, the notes of me= etings he participated, the company he is an employee of etc. How can I mar= k up info in a way that Emacs or org links such info? Or isn=E2=80=99t this= possible? Do I have to use Gnowsys or something like that for this?

- I=E2=80=99d like to be able to search all =E2=80=9EPERSON=E2=80=9C entrie= s for a specific name.

- I=E2=80=99d like to be able to archive chunks of information, e.g. a MEET= INGNOTE that=E2=80=99s obsolete, equally as I can do it with tasks

- I=E2=80=99d like to filter, i.e. have Emacs only show me e.g. the =E2=80= =9EMEETINGNOTES=E2=80=9C entries with all their text, but filter out everyt= hing else. Maybe even only =E2=80=9EMEETINGNOTES=E2=80=9C with tag =E2=80= =9EXY=E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 combined filtering. Possible via Agenda, as I under= stand it, at least partially. Matching tags and combinations of tags etc.
Fot those of you who owned (or still own) a HP 200LX Palmtop and use Andrea= s Garzotto=E2=80=99s excellent PIM/PE on it (PE was a text editor that was = partially inspired by Emacs and PIM was quite similar to org-mode, although= PIM existed prior to org-mode): I=E2=80=99d like to do something similar w= ith Emacs / org that was possible with PIM/PE. :-)

Thanks for any hints, pointers and ideas,

Daniel



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