From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Subject: Re: orgmode + evernote, anyone using it? Use cases? Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5299a438121af04ca8a0a89 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39396) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TGYwO-0005nh-Lp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:29:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TGYwM-0001de-AE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:29:00 -0400 Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com ([209.85.223.169]:51665) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TGYwM-0001d4-4A for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:28:58 -0400 Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so16183750ied.0 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:28:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Eden Cardim Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --bcaec5299a438121af04ca8a0a89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You make some very good points, Eden. Dragging is what bothers me. I used to use Emacs for a lot of other stuff before, but decided to be more pragmatic and enjoy apps outside it as well. I don't currently live inside Emacs (in fact, I've ended up switching to MacVim for most of my coding tasks, but that was before Evil was available, and I might take the time to switch my env to Emacs again someday, now that there is a decent Vim emulation layer), and I use other OSX apps. OSX is very graphical. Being able to quickly drag and drop items in an Emacs org buffer would be a plus, and would also be helpful to less technically-savvy/more graphically oriented people willing to use org. I have grown a habit of capturing absolutely > everything, which is eased by the fact that I redirect everything I > can to IRC or my mailbox, which gives me a very efficient note-taking > and communication system That sounds *very* interesting. Would you mind sharing a bit more about your system? I'm specially curious about the capture tools you're using (IRC?). I also have the capability of capturing > links to stuff on a remote system (which Evernote can't do). Good point. The only useful thing I've ever done with Evernote is > take advantage of the OCR search, which means I can capture physical > things fast with the smartphone and find them later via search True. That's a very useful Evernote capture feature, very convenient when you just don't feel like writing. Now, I agree orgmode has the edge, specially for the geekier audience, but Evernote has some great capture tools, tools that could be ported to org (food for thought) or used in conjunction. Cheers! - Marcelo. On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Eden Cardim wrote: > >>>>> "Marcelo" == Marcelo de Moraes Serpa writes: > > Marcelo> Hello everyone, As much as I love orgmode, I can't deny > Marcelo> that Evernote looks slick. I would not replace org by > Marcelo> Evernote per se, but Evernote does have more polished > Marcelo> capture tools than orgmode has. Just the simple fact that > Marcelo> you can drag and drop anything to an Evernote note, and > Marcelo> it will automatically store/display it accordingly is > Marcelo> great. > > Dragging is what bothers me. I practically live inside emacs and > pressing one key to capture stuff is about 5 times faster than doing > it by dragging, that is, if the app I want to capture from happens to > be on the same desktop. I have grown a habit of capturing absolutely > everything, which is eased by the fact that I redirect everything I > can to IRC or my mailbox, which gives me a very efficient note-taking > and communication system. I also have the capability of capturing > links to stuff on a remote system (which Evernote can't do). Also, > Evernote has no integrated calendar, which really hurts, in org I can > capture and add a scheduled/deadline timestamp to the item which > effectively implements GTD's recommendation of "using the item itself > as a reminder". The only useful thing I've ever done with Evernote is > take advantage of the OCR search, which means I can capture physical > things fast with the smartphone and find them later via search, like > bookmarking a page from a physical book or capturing a business card. > > -- > tetris is so unrealistic > > > --bcaec5299a438121af04ca8a0a89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You make some very good points, Eden.

= Dragging is what bothers me.=A0

I used to use Emacs for a lot of other stuff before, bu= t decided to be more pragmatic and enjoy apps outside it as well. I don'= ;t currently live inside Emacs (in fact, I've ended up switching to Mac= Vim for most of my coding tasks, but that was before Evil was available, an= d I might take the time to switch my env to Emacs again someday, now that t= here is a decent Vim emulation layer), and I use other OSX apps. OSX is ver= y graphical. Being able to quickly drag and drop items in an Emacs org buff= er would be a plus, and would also be helpful to less technically-savvy/mor= e graphically oriented people willing to use org.

I have grown a habit of capturing absolutel= y
everything, which is eased by the fact that I redirect everything I
can = to IRC or my mailbox, which gives me a very efficient note-taking
and co= mmunication system

That sounds *very* inter= esting. Would you mind sharing a bit more about your system? I'm specia= lly curious about the capture tools you're using (IRC?).=A0

I also have the capability of capturing
links to stuff on a remote system (which Evernote can't do).=A0

Good point.=A0

The only useful thing I've ever done with Evernote is
take advantage= of the OCR search, which means I can capture physical
things fast with = the smartphone and find them later via search

True. That's a very useful Evernote capture feature, very convenie= nt when you just don't feel like writing.

Now,= I agree orgmode has the edge, specially for the geekier audience, but Ever= note has some great capture tools, tools that could be ported to org (food = for thought) or used in conjunction.

Cheers!

- Marcelo.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Eden Cardim <eden@= insoli.de> wrote:
>>>>> "Marcelo" =3D= =3D Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celo= serpa@gmail.com> writes:

=A0 =A0 Marcelo> Hello everyone, As much as I love orgmode, I can't = deny
=A0 =A0 Marcelo> that Evernote looks slick. I would not replace org by =A0 =A0 Marcelo> Evernote per se, but Evernote does have more polished =A0 =A0 Marcelo> capture tools than orgmode has. Just the simple fact th= at
=A0 =A0 Marcelo> you can drag and drop anything to an Evernote note, and=
=A0 =A0 Marcelo> it will automatically store/display it accordingly is =A0 =A0 Marcelo> great.

Dragging is what bothers me. I practically live inside emacs and
pressing one key to capture stuff is about 5 times faster than doing
it by dragging, that is, if the app I want to capture from happens to
be on the same desktop. I have grown a habit of capturing absolutely
everything, which is eased by the fact that I redirect everything I
can to IRC or my mailbox, which gives me a very efficient note-taking
and communication system. I also have the capability of capturing
links to stuff on a remote system (which Evernote can't do). Also,
Evernote has no integrated calendar, which really hurts, in org I can
capture and add a scheduled/deadline timestamp to the item which
effectively implements GTD's recommendation of "using the item its= elf
as a reminder". The only useful thing I've ever done with Evernote= is
take advantage of the OCR search, which means I can capture physical
things fast with the smartphone and find them later via search, like
bookmarking a page from a physical book or capturing a business card.

--
<Polytope> tetris is so unrealistic



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