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From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com>
To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Does anyone use Tinderbox?
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:30:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACHMzOFn_qbk_JAzwEM=-PUWxhyV05GcGTOYNYGjCmjqK5H=ow@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ipbty202.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net>

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Hi Eric,

Thank your for sharing your insights! Tinderbox does look interesting,
albeit a bit overkill.

*without* later discovering some
> free open source software that did the same thing better.

Care to share which?



On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I've recently found out about Tinderbox (http://www.eastgate.com/
> > Tinderbox/), a personal information management application/framework
> > for the Mac. It looks very interesting in its visualization
> > capabilities.
> >
> > Does anyone in the list use it, and if so, care to share a bit about
> > the experience?
> >
> > Perhaps it could serve as inspiration for orgmode extensions/
> > integration ideas.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > - Marcelo.
> I used to use it, when I still used a Mac. Despite the price tag, it was
> the only piece of software I paid for, *without* later discovering some
> free open source software that did the same thing better.
> Tinderbox has some feature overlap with Org, but not a lot. It's much
> more a generalized note-taking/data collection program -- it can and
> often is configured as a TODO machine, but you'd have to build in much
> of the stuff that comes with Org by default. On the other hand, it's
> much more powerful and flexible when it comes to (re)organizing chunks
> of plain data. Tinderbox notes are comparable to a single Org
> headline-plus-text-and-metadata, but they can be arranged and related
> much more flexibly. Tinderbox doesn't have spreadsheets, tho -- not as
> far as I remember.
> Multiple views on the same data is something that Tinderbox also does
> very well.
> One interesting distinction is Tinderbox agents. Agents are notes that
> are mini-programs: they collect other notes according to various search
> criteria, and the act on them according to various rules. They make
> Tinderbox powerful, but they also make it confusing: the search and
> action rules are written in a mini-programming language that is a bit
> perplexing.
> But there are interesting implications for Org. Org agenda views are the
> equivalent of agents, in the *collection* sense: you give it search
> criteria, and it gives you what is essentially a set of symlinks to
> other headlines. Action is done by the user, of course, with Agenda
> commands.
> I've daydreamed about this before: what if, instead of agenda views, we
> took a page from the Tinderbox method and made "agendas" simple
> headlines, with some cookie saying "I'm an agenda", and a property
> containing the search string. Instead of having an ephemeral *Org
> Agenda* buffer, your "agenda views" are simply another in-file headline,
> whose children are TODOs/headlines that match the query. Multiple and
> persistent agendas are suddenly a matter of course.
> It wouldn't work well for date-based Agendas, of course. In fact, it
> would probably turn out to be a bad idea for reasons I haven't fully
> thought through, yet, but it was an interesting daydream.
> E
> --
> GNU Emacs (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.11)
>  of 2012-09-04 on pellet
> 7.9.1

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-04 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-04 18:48 [OT] Does anyone use Tinderbox? Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
2012-09-04 20:19 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-09-04 20:30   ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa [this message]
2012-09-05  1:24     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-09-14  6:49   ` Bastien
2012-09-18  2:47     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-09-18  3:06       ` Kyle Sexton
2012-09-18  6:18       ` Bastien

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