From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Subject: Re: [OT] Defining System, process, methodology and framework Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:48:15 -0500 Message-ID: References: <2012-04-22T12-37-42@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdfdb52b4c52d04be5d1462 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40802) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMOJA-0007Rp-OG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:48:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMOJ8-0005qL-No for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:48:20 -0400 Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:62873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMOJ8-0005pY-71 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:48:18 -0400 Received: by bkvi17 with SMTP id i17so829665bkv.0 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2012-04-22T12-37-42@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: news1142@karl-voit.at Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --000e0cdfdb52b4c52d04be5d1462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Karl, I'm 60% through the book. I'll share my insights shortly. Thank your for your definitions, they make sense :) - Marcelo. On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Karl Voit wrote: > * Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: > > > > Well, looks like my text was kind of stupid and or confusing... > > No. At least not to me. > > > Anyway, I started reading "An Introduction To General Systems Thinking" - > > surprisingly interesting book, and it's helping me answer most of those > > questions in deeper ways. I needed to do some additional investigation > > before starting to ask questions ;) > > > > I'll share the insights after I finish it, > > Please do so. > > For me, this approach is especially interesting related to PIM/GTD. > > > Without looking into Wikipedia or such and without deeper background > knowledge, I'd have *guessed*: > > - systems are made of processes > - system is a higher level process, accomplishing bigger things than a > task > - a process defines a method to accomplish a task > - frameworks are generic tools for implementing a process > - a method is the underlying principle of how a process is designed > > YMMV :-) > > -- > Karl Voit > > > --000e0cdfdb52b4c52d04be5d1462 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Karl,

I'm 60% through the book. I'll share = my insights shortly.

Thank your for your definitions, they make sense :)

- Marcelo.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:48 A= M, Karl Voit <devnull@karl-voit.at> wrote:
* Marcelo de Moraes Serpa = <celoserpa@gmail.com> wrot= e:
>
> Well, looks like my text was kind of stupid an= d or confusing...

No. At least not to me.

> Anyway, I started reading "An Introduction To General Systems Thi= nking" -
> surprisingly interesting book, and it's helping me answer most of = those
> questions in deeper ways. I needed to do some additional investigation=
> before starting to ask questions ;)
>
> I'll share the insights after I finish it,

Please do so.

For me, this approach is especially interesting related to PIM/GTD.


Without looking into Wikipedia or such and without deeper background
knowledge, I'd have *guessed*:

- systems are made of processes
- system is a higher level process, accomplishing bigger things than a
=A0task
- a process defines a method to accomplish a task
- frameworks are generic tools for implementing a process
- a method is the underlying principle of how a process is designed

YMMV :-)

--
Karl Voit



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