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From: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary
	<jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org>,
	Org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: org 9.2.6 and org 9.1.9
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:42:39 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC=50j9F_vNvB75jHYxgbuurWqEAyt83AP6WS9vNQk0HrjTLSQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmndhP+G8riX1Z6XO9Pr7ZrBr=cj2GmVb2mj0_6MBfS81Q@mail.gmail.com>

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But I don't think the issue is with package.el per se. You get the same
problem if you try to install org-mode manually without package.el. What is
really needed to fix this problem is some mechanism which will ensure all
org related definitions are somehow purged from the running instance before
attempting to install and compile a new version.  Provided there is no
org-mode functionality loaded when you install a later version with
package.el, it works fine.

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 17:29, Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> wrote:

> Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I would agree that org should be a package in elpa and not bundled into
> emacs core. The user can then choose which version to install (ignoring the
> package dependency problem).
>
> I disagree with removing Org-mode from Emacs core, as I've explained
> elsewhere.
>
> > This won't fix all the issues as anyone installing a new major version
> when an existing version is already loaded will run into the same problems.
> Bottom line, as org stands now, upgrading when org is already loaded is
> problematic.
>
> It would be very unfortunate if we removed Org-mode from Emacs core
> with the sole motivation to band-aid an issue with upgrading packages
> in package.el.
>
> So I would put your above argument more bluntly: removing Org-mode
> from Emacs core would be to sweep the problem under the rug.
> package.el is still broken.
>
> Best regards,
> Stefan Kangas
>


-- 
regards,

Tim

--
Tim Cross

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-27  6:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-24 13:37 Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-11-26 19:15 ` Nick Dokos
2019-11-26 21:41   ` Tim Cross
2019-11-27  2:59     ` Cook, Malcolm
2019-11-27  3:13       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-11-27  6:18         ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-27 13:23       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-27 17:20         ` Cook, Malcolm
2019-11-27 21:51           ` Tim Cross
2019-11-27 22:01           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-26 23:14   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-11-27  3:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-27  5:43       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-11-27  6:00         ` Tim Cross
2019-11-27  6:29           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-27  6:42             ` Tim Cross [this message]
2019-11-27 10:11               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-27 13:21               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-27 15:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27  7:04           ` Fraga, Eric
2019-11-27  6:34       ` Stefan Kangas

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