From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: Way to replace normal tabular env with booktabs? Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:03:36 -0600 Message-ID: References: <0167BDBB-27A0-458E-8107-4A2217710BE7@gmail.com> <201201131932.54357.DanielBausch@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517592c26a832e004b66d85dc Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46623) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RlmPb-0002ji-JW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:03:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RlmPa-00066K-Jb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:03:39 -0500 Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:60849) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RlmPa-00062m-AY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:03:38 -0500 Received: by bkuw5 with SMTP id w5so3013087bku.0 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:03:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201201131932.54357.DanielBausch@gmx.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Daniel Bausch Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --001517592c26a832e004b66d85dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Daniel Bausch wrote: > Hello! > > > On a usage note, I was surprised that the patch causes automatic > insertion > > of top and bottom rules even when the org table doesn't use ascii > > top/bottom rules. In fact, if you use "|-" to put ascii rules on an org > > chart using this patch, you get double rules. > > Disclaimer: I did not test this at all, but am interested in a convenient > booktabs support, too. > > I think it is reasonable to put the top and bottom rules automatically, as > booktabs somewhat defines that as the intended look. So it would be > redundant > to require a |- on top and bottom for all tables on the org side. I even > think that org tables with top and bottom rules do not look good, because > the > vertical lines do not stop at the horizontal lines (from a visual point of > view). This way it looks like is a very small empty table line above and > below the table. > > I can see that point. I guess I was just surprised given the org-mode default. Perhaps it is just a preference with the look. I don't mind having them "closed in" by ascii rules. In any case, what probably *shouldn't* happen are double rules if someone by habit puts rules on their org table with |-. That's the current behavior. Best regards, John > Daniel > > --001517592c26a832e004b66d85dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Daniel= Bausch <Daniel= Bausch@gmx.de> wrote:
Hello!

> On a usage note, I was surprised that the patch causes automatic inser= tion
> of top and bottom rules even when the org table doesn't use ascii<= br> > top/bottom rules. In fact, if you use "|-" to put ascii rule= s on an org
> chart using this patch, you get double rules.

Disclaimer: I did not test this at all, but am interested in a conven= ient
booktabs support, too.

I think it is reasonable to put the top and bottom rules automatically, as<= br> booktabs somewhat defines that as the intended look. =C2=A0So it would be r= edundant
to require a |- on top and bottom for all tables on the org side. =C2=A0I e= ven
think that org tables with top and bottom rules do not look good, because t= he
vertical lines do not stop at the horizontal lines (from a visual point of<= br> view). =C2=A0This way it looks like is a very small empty table line above = and
below the table.


I can see that point. I guess I was just surprised g= iven the org-mode default.

Perhaps it is just a pr= eference with the look. I don't mind having them "closed in" = by ascii rules. In any case, what probably *shouldn't* happen are doubl= e rules if someone by habit puts rules on their org table with |-. That'= ;s the current behavior.


Best regards,
John
= =C2=A0
Daniel


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