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From: John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com>
To: Matthew Jones <bsdmatburt@gmail.com>
Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl>
Subject: Re: Agenda in MobileOrg for Android
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:06:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+M2ft_4xBD4-NM0YgeeWBcF2rQokDynD42=kdAyjMXWOcTS8w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABSYn2irEu0e6B5E5FJqH_Lgdfqdo4xJ8m9noCSnu3C2LvUSdw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Matthew Jones <bsdmatburt@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys, I'm one of the maintainers of MobileOrg for Android.  We've worked
> really hard to try to implement as many of the features of org-mode as we
> can and make it comfortable to use for the majority of people.  A couple of
> points:
> - Originally we were just storing the org files and parsing those on demand
> instead of using a database.   This proved extremely cumbersome when we
> wanted to add more features, and it really did not scale well when people
> had very large org files.  We made a decision a while ago to switch to a
> database almost exclusively for this reason, but there were a lot of other
> smaller reasons that also made it worthwhile.
> - The reason we do syncing the way that we do is to fit into org-mode's
> org-mobile-* concept.  Keeping multiple sets of plain text files in sync
> with emacs in the loop is no simple task.  The org-mobile-* functions were
> already defined and well used when I started writing the Android port of
> MobileOrg.  It may be suboptimal but currently it is the best and easiest
> (from the development side) way to keep a remote device and an instance of
> emacs in sync.  I'm actually not even sure if the org-mobile-* routines are
> even maintained anymore.  The synchronization problem is not as easy as just
> overwriting the files, however.

I posted this suggestion at the github site:
- https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/issues/63#issuecomment-11391116

I think syncing over git, especially while piggybacking on the merge
driver that was developed to help deal with Org syntax, might be
exceptional. I can't use Dropbox since my org files at work contain
confidential information and don't particularly enjoy fiddling with
apache/WebDAV setup, so git and automagically knowing where to put
updates from the device would be fantastic.

> - If you have issues and you don't tell us then we have no way of helping
> you and the problem might not go away.  We try to stay on top of
> showstopping issues for our users (we have an email address and a bug
> tracker linked to in the app store) unfortunately some folks just leave a 1
> star review and uninstall and never contact us.

Agreed, and thanks for saying so. I try not to do this and while I
don't particularly enjoy pestering you on github all the time... still
choose to do so :)

Thanks for commenting over here!

> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl>
> wrote:
>> Dnia 2013-04-08, o godz. 06:52:02
>> James Harkins <jamshark70@gmail.com> napisał(a):
>> > As it happens, one of the lead developers of mobileorg started a
>> > thread on the MobileOrg-Android mailing list asking for issues that
>> > need to be addressed, and features that are needed, before it's ready
>> > for 1.0.
>> Well, I didn't know about the existence if that list;).
>> > I'm using MobileOrg and enjoying it in general. I find it terribly
>> > useful and not especially cumbersome. The initial setup was a bit of a
>> > trek for me, because I don't have access to dropbox where I live
>> > (mainland China). Ultimately, because of unreliable connections to
>> > Ubuntu One, I ended up running my own WebDAV server locally and
>> > syncing at home over the WLAN.
>> >
>> > Otherwise, the only thing I had to adapt in my org/emacs usage was to
>> > schedule appointments (C-c C-s) instead of using timestamps for them
>> > (C-c .). I'm actually not crazy about that -- I'd rather use
>> > timestamps -- but it does work. (Come to think of it, I should propose
>> > that as one of the 1.0 issues... or check if it's changed since the
>> > last time I tried.) Items with scheduled or deadline timestamps appear
>> > in the Android calendar, and there is a preference in MobileOrg to
>> > attach reminders automatically. (One remaining point here -- another
>> > 1.0 issue -- is that creating a new node in MobileOrg with a schedule
>> > or deadline doesn't show up in the phone calendar until after
>> > syncing. I'll bring that up on the M/O mailing list.)
>> >
>> > I find that creating new nodes and minor editing of existing ones is
>> > not at all inconvenient. I don't see a big issue for the workflows
>> > that Marcin subsequently identified as being critical for this kind of
>> > app. They're already there.
>> >
>> > hjh
>> As I wrote in my other email, I'll give it a try - but I'm very much
>> tempted to try to write my own implementation, for the sake of learning.
>> Best,
>> --
>> Marcin Borkowski
>> http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
>> Adam Mickiewicz University

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-09 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-24  1:52 Marcin Borkowski
2013-03-24  2:04 ` John Hendy
2013-04-07 13:13   ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-04-07 21:16     ` David Rogers
2013-04-07 21:41       ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-04-08  4:33         ` David Rogers
2013-04-08  6:24           ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-04-08  1:20     ` James Harkins
2013-04-08  9:26       ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-04-09 10:19         ` Gareth Smith
2013-04-08  6:52     ` James Harkins
2013-04-08  9:28       ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-04-09 18:24         ` Matthew Jones
2013-04-09 20:27           ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-04-09 20:51             ` Matthew Jones
2013-04-09 21:36               ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-04-09 22:06           ` John Hendy [this message]
2013-04-23 10:50           ` Android MobileOrg: appointments without SCHEDULED/DEADLINE (was: Agenda in MobileOrg for Android) Karl Voit
2013-04-24  4:41             ` Android MobileOrg: appointments without SCHEDULED/DEADLINE Rémi Vanicat
2013-04-24  7:38               ` Eric S Fraga
2013-04-24 14:46                 ` Rémi Vanicat
2013-04-24 17:21               ` Henning Weiss
2013-04-24 17:33               ` MobileOrg and repeating events (was: Android MobileOrg: appointments without SCHEDULED/DEADLINE) Karl Voit
2013-04-24 17:15             ` Android MobileOrg: appointments without SCHEDULED/DEADLINE (was: Agenda in MobileOrg for Android) Henning Weiss
2013-04-24 17:30               ` Karl Voit
2013-04-25  8:55               ` Android MobileOrg: appointments without SCHEDULED/DEADLINE Eric S Fraga
2013-04-15 12:45         ` Agenda in MobileOrg for Android Andreas Leha
2013-04-15 15:24           ` Bastien
2013-04-15 18:36             ` Andreas Leha
2013-05-12  1:55         ` mobileorg-android
2013-05-13  3:00           ` [mobileorg-android] " James Harkins
2013-05-13 13:28             ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-04-07 17:54 Itai kloog
2013-04-09 18:09 Jorge A. Alfaro Murillo
2013-04-09 18:18 ` David Rogers

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