From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: org-mode as an accountability system? Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 14:25:20 -0600 Message-ID: References: <87linh1pkg.fsf@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50202) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3vWb-0003nX-F7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:25:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3vW8-0006Vn-4K for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:25:53 -0500 Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:64105) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3vW7-0006VY-Ni for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:25:24 -0500 Received: by bkwq16 with SMTP id q16so2846802bkw.0 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 12:25:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Peter Salazar Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Thorsten On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Peter Salazar wrote= : > Hi Thorsten, > > Thanks for the thoughts. > > Clarification: I send my accountability partner a summary of MY committed > actions for the day for him to review. We dont' collaborate, and he does = not > touch or change my tasks. (Although he does send me a list of his own tas= ks, > and how well he did each day.) > He doesn't have to change them, just be able to view the up to date state of your todos. I think that was the point. =3Dgit pull=3D is not significantly more work than opening an email. > It's important to send the tasks by e-mail so I know he'll see them right > away (and that will keep me accountable). If I send him a link, I know he > may or may not view the file if and when he has time. > Whether he opens his browser/email client and reads the email or opens a terminal and does =3Dgit pull=3D, again, does not seem horridly different. Then again, for a non git user, you are correct that one more step might make the difference between reading and not. > As for using Agenda and hitting > to move a task to the next day, there a= re > two problems with this: > > 1. this does not change the state of a @didnotdo task to @todo Have a look at: http://orgmode.org/manual/Agenda-commands.html I, too, am not a power user, however it seems like you could do the followi= ng: -- `C-a t` (show all todos) -- `m` on each one you did not complete -- `B` (shift+b, conduct bulk action on all marked entries) -- `t` to change todo state for each marked item -- Type in 'didnotdo' to change the state -- `C-a T` (agenda search based on todo state) -- Type in 'didnotdo' (gives you all the items you just marked since you didn't do them) -- Copy the current agenda view into an email and send it ---- Alternative do `C-x C-w` and write it to a file you can push to a git = repo -- `m` on all the shown entries (all are state `didnotdo` at this point) -- `B` (conduct a bulk action) -- `s` (schedule new date for all actions) -- Use the minibuffer calendar to schedule them to a new day Looks like a lot, but this should go pretty fast once you get the hang of i= t. Also, Bernt Hanson has a diddy on his website for creating a timestamp for every new headline. Perhaps you could use it to create a timestamp with today's date for every new todo headline? See his elisp code here: -- http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15-21 > 2. for habits (using the format=C2=A0SCHEDULED: <2012-03-03 Sat =C2=A0+1d= >), if I miss > a day and then try to mark a habit DONE today, it stamps the habit done f= or > the day I missed, rather than stamping it done today and recording that I > did not do it on the day I was supposed to do it. > I don't use habit, but I know there's a graph that's supposed to show color coded bars based on whether you did or did not do the task according to how you scheduled the habit. -- http://orgmode.org/manual/Tracking-your-habits.html Hope this gives you some ideas or even helps you directly! John > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Thorsten wrote= : >> >> Peter Salazar writes: >> >> Hi Peter, >> without claiming being an expert org-mode user, I had the following >> thoughts when reading your post: >> >> > I have an accountability partner with whom I exchange daily "committed >> > actions." Every morning, I e-mail him a list of the tasks I commit to >> > completing that day. >> >> Why sending per email? Why not getting a free private(!) git repo (1GB) >> at assembla.com and cooperatively work on one or several org file(s) in >> that repo? >> >> > When I complete a task, I mark it DONE. If I don't complete a task >> > that day, I mark it @didnotdo and manually cut and paste it to the >> > next day. >> > >> > Every night, I send him a report of which actions I did and which ones >> > I did not do. (I find I get so much more done since I started making >> > daily commitments to someone other than myself.) >> >> If you both work on the same file using git, the current state of >> affairs will always be clear, as well as who did what at what time (and >> pushed it to the repo). >> >> > 1. Given that I'm creating my daily task list manually, is there an >> > easy way, when I mark a task @didnotdo, to automatically move it to >> > the next day's list and change its state to @todo? >> >> When I have a TODO task in the agenda that I did not complete today, I >> just change the date to tomorrow in the agenda using '>'. >> If you don't do that, it will appear anyway in the agenda as overdue >> task. >> >> >> -- >> cheers, >> Thorsten >> >> >