From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: evil-mode and org Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 20:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36074) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctP1a-0005Rr-Uz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:37:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctP1Z-0001gT-Kc for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:37:18 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-x241.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::241]:33127) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctP1Z-0001g5-GS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:37:17 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-x241.google.com with SMTP id f84so1577902ioj.0 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Peter Neilson Cc: emacs-orgmode On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Peter Neilson wrote: > On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:57:40 -0400, Matt Price wrote: > >> I've never used Vim but I see a lot of people online raving about evil >> mode >> and how much they love it. I'm considering giving it a whirl after the >> semester ends & I get some free time. I just wondered whether any heavy >> org >> users here on the list use evil, and if so, whether you see pain points >> within org-mode -- my setup is pretty heavily customized, for instance, >> and >> I wonder whether that means it will be quite painful to use evil. > > > You will also find people asking why anyone would ever think of using vim. > One of those is Aaron Bieber. > https://blog.aaronbieber.com/2016/01/30/dig-into-org-mode.html I posted in response to John, but funny enough Aaron gives a talk on evil-mode as well. From the talk he was a heaaavvvy vim user, so I think it might be more accurate to say: "why would anyone use vim *given emacs* (he came from vim, after all)?" Equally strong in his talk (so I assume his philosophy in general) is: "why would anyone use emacs keybindings *given vim's*?" John > > I use vim only when unavoidable, and I simply pretend it is ed (of ancient > Unix days). Or maybe I just use ed. I would not bother trying to use ed to > access org, and thus would not be tempted to use vi, vim or evil mode for > org, either. One fine day, long, long ago, I had to use a Vax that did not > have emacs, vim, vi or ed. It did have whatever DEC was using for an editor, > but I didn't know how to use it instantly. What to do? What to do? I tried > running TECO. Yes, it had TECO! Saved! (Sort of.) > > Why use vim if emacs is already built into your fingertips? >