From: John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com>
To: John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: M-x fill-region equivalent for lists?
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:48:10 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+M2ft-J6L8mmcduvTqRrW47Jpd3GhRFPKJoeqJEbnRR11_=hg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hadgvp3z.fsf@ucl.ac.uk>
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>> Sort of. Screenshots attached:
>> - as-is.png is the text from my initial email just yanked into Emacs
>>
>> - uneven-start.png is the result of `M-x fill-paragraph` on that text
>>
>> - even-start.png is the result of `M-x fill-paragraph` on the text if
>> I make sure the start of every line is justified with two spaces, as
>> it would if I'd been writing that full line directly in an Org list
>> item and then deleted/shortened some of the lines.
>>
>> - default.org is me taking the original yanked text and arranging it
>> all on one line, then pressing space at the end of the line.
>>
>> So... if the start of the lines in an item aren't even, you get an
>> uneven fill,
>
> Yes, this is as expected, based on fill-paragraph's algorithm for what
> to fill and how to define the fill prefix.
>
>> and in both cases, the right ragged edge is more ragged
>> than Org would have done on it's own.
>
> Yes, this is true. Happens to me as well. The filling is different
> when using auto-fill and writing as compared with fill-paragraph
> afterwards. I have never used fill-region so cannot compare.
>
If I select/mark a paragraph, `M-x fill-region` produces paragraphs
that are identical to typing them in Org and letting the line run past
my setting for the fill-column width. So fill-region works identically
to Org; fill-paragraph does not.
>> I didn't know about this
>> function and have just always used fill-region (not sure why!), so
>> thanks for suggesting it, as it's definitely getting things close.
>
> One step at a time... ;-) Filling appears to be a somewhat stochastic
> process although I'm sure it isn't!
See attached before and after comparing regular paragraph behavior for
Org's default behavior if you fill past the fill-column setting, M-x
fill-region, and M-x fill-paragraph. Perhaps not the most exhaustive
test, but shows that for paragraphs, the behavior of all three is the
same. I did the same for lists, but I suppose we already knew from my
previous email that Org and fill-paragraph don't agree.
>
> Having said this, I have now moved completely to org-indent with
> visual-line-mode and I no longer need to fill anything, when in org mode
> as opposed to message mode like this email...
Hmm. I'll have to look into that!
John
>
> --
> : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.3.50.1, Org release_8.1.1-7-gaecdf5
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-09-19 15:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-18 1:49 M-x fill-region equivalent for lists? John Hendy
2013-09-18 9:15 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-09-18 15:31 ` John Hendy
2013-09-19 14:54 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-09-19 15:48 ` John Hendy [this message]
2013-09-19 19:15 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-09-18 15:32 ` John Hendy
2013-09-18 17:06 ` Nick Dokos
2013-09-19 14:48 ` [OT] mail followup to (was Re: M-x fill-region equivalent for lists?) Eric S Fraga
2013-09-19 15:40 ` John Hendy
2013-09-19 19:07 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-09-19 19:38 ` John Hendy
2013-09-20 11:18 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-23 18:52 ` Eric S Fraga
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