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Footnotes can appear in a property drawer without issue, though obviously they don't export. One question though since I may have missed this in the other threads is cite: allowed without the square brackets? Either way, org element just parses the value to a string and it is up to any consuming application to parse the node property further. Best! Tom On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 11:45 AM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > Just bumping this. > > Another question about where to allow cite elements. > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 4:18 PM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > > > So this is a tentative request/question; I'm not really sure the best > > approach here. > > > > This is based on discussion with one of the org-roam-bibtex developers > > about what the proper way to indicate an org-roam note is a > > bibliographic note; e.g. a note about a bibliographic source. > > > > Traditionally in org-roam, that is in a property drawer; like: > > > > :ROAM_REFS: cite:wallace-wells2019 > > > > That is using org-ref syntax there. > > > > So the obvious question is should one just put an org-cite citation > > there to do the same thing? > > > > Right now, the answer is clearly no, since they aren't allowed in > > property drawers. > > > > But perhaps they should be, just as any link can be? > > > > Except if they are, I recognize, they need to be treated as special > > cases; e.g ignored for the purposes of export and such. > > > > WDYT? > > > > Bruce >