* Re: [FR] Enhancing footnote managment (via indirect buffer)?
@ 2023-05-23 10:59 Payas Relekar
2023-05-24 9:03 ` Ihor Radchenko
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Payas Relekar @ 2023-05-23 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrea Lazzarini; +Cc: Ihor Radchenko, emacs-orgmode
Andrea Lazzarini <andrea.lazzarini1@gmail.com> writes:
> I've fiddled with org-edit-special and I see it has a major flaw, at least in my opinion.
> It inserts all changes without keeping track of the undos, as opposed to the indirect
> buffer solution, which also had the advantage of doing everything from a single buffer:
> it operates as some sort of 'window' on a part of the file, rather than feeling as some
> sort of out-of-the-normal operation. Aren't there other possibile use cases for indirect
> buffers in org mode? Why are they considered inferior to other solutions? I ask just
> for my understanding.
>
> (A combination of eldoc + org-edit-special might be rather affecting on the
> seamlessness of the workflow, but this is of course my simple personal opinion).
I've been playing with org-footnote-assistance, and this is again just
another opinion, but I'm also preferring the indirect buffer. It just
puts things in better perspective.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread* Re: [FR] Enhancing footnote managment (via indirect buffer)? 2023-05-23 10:59 [FR] Enhancing footnote managment (via indirect buffer)? Payas Relekar @ 2023-05-24 9:03 ` Ihor Radchenko [not found] ` <990C578F-176B-4166-868C-0BC59759CC19@gmail.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-05-24 9:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Payas Relekar; +Cc: Andrea Lazzarini, emacs-orgmode Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@gmail.com> writes: > I've been playing with org-footnote-assistance, and this is again just > another opinion, but I'm also preferring the indirect buffer. It just > puts things in better perspective. I'd prefer to integrate things with `org-edit-special', if possible. Possibly extending `org-edit-special' functionality. The pros for `org-edit-special' are that we can escape certain edge cases. In particular, there is a known edge case when footnote definition contains an src block with 2+ blank lines. The blank lines are treated as the end of the footnote definition and src block is not recognized. Also, `org-edit-footnote-reference' takes care about removing common indentation. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Fwd: [FR] Enhancing footnote managment (via indirect buffer)? [not found] ` <990C578F-176B-4166-868C-0BC59759CC19@gmail.com> @ 2023-05-26 9:08 ` Andrea Lazzarini [not found] ` <877cria8f9.fsf@localhost> 2023-05-26 9:13 ` Ihor Radchenko 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Andrea Lazzarini @ 2023-05-26 9:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Il giorno 24 mag 2023, alle ore 11:03, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> ha scritto: > > Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@gmail.com> writes: > >> I've been playing with org-footnote-assistance, and this is again just >> another opinion, but I'm also preferring the indirect buffer. It just >> puts things in better perspective. > > I'd prefer to integrate things with `org-edit-special', if possible. > Possibly extending `org-edit-special' functionality. > > The pros for `org-edit-special' are that we can escape certain edge > cases. In particular, there is a known edge case when footnote > definition contains an src block with 2+ blank lines. The blank lines > are treated as the end of the footnote definition and src block is not > recognized. Also, `org-edit-footnote-reference' takes care about > removing common indentation. > I've tried to use org-edit-special with a src block with 2+ blank lines and the second #+end_src is not seen as part of the footnote. Is this the edge problem you were addressing? I get the same result with the indirect buffer. I'll try to implement at least footnote previewing functionalities with eldoc! > -- > Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, > Org mode contributor, > Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. > Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, > or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Re: [FR] Enhancing footnote managment (via indirect buffer)? [not found] ` <877cria8f9.fsf@localhost> @ 2023-07-03 15:32 ` Andrea Lazzarini 2023-07-03 16:19 ` Ihor Radchenko 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Andrea Lazzarini @ 2023-07-03 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 837 bytes --] > Il giorno 2 lug 2023, alle ore 12:56, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> ha scritto: > > Hello, > > It has been over one month since the last message in this thread. > Are you still interested to work on this feature? Do you need any help? Hi, I was busy with work and had less time to focus on this, sorry! Well, sorry for the noob question but how do you suggest I fork the org.el file to start tinkering with it? I would pass through the Org repository on Savannah, as specified here: https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html <https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html>. What do you suggest for testing the changes? Should I then send a diff? I guess I can manage to have the code I already produced working in org.el. In what section of it should the eldoc package be required? Thank you so much. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [FR] Enhancing footnote managment (via indirect buffer)? 2023-07-03 15:32 ` Andrea Lazzarini @ 2023-07-03 16:19 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-02 10:09 ` Ihor Radchenko 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-07-03 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrea Lazzarini; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Andrea Lazzarini <andrea.lazzarini1@gmail.com> writes: > I was busy with work and had less time to focus on this, sorry! No problem. Just wanted to make sure that this thread did not fall through the cracks. > Well, sorry for the noob question but how do you suggest I fork the org.el file to start tinkering with it? > I would pass through the Org repository on Savannah, as specified here: https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html <https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html>. You can just use git version of Org: https://orgmode.org/manual/Installation.html Then, you can edit the files directly there. > What do you suggest for testing the changes? Should I then send a diff? Depends on your familiarity with git. The easiest for us would be attaching a patch, but you can also send a diff, if it is easier for you. We have all the details in https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html#org0d9c39b You can also use Magit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ywEgcbaiys). > I guess I can manage to have the code I already produced working in org.el. In what section of it should the eldoc package be required? The eldoc setup should be somewhere inside (define-derived-mode org-mode outline-mode "Org" -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [FR] Enhancing footnote managment (via indirect buffer)? 2023-07-03 16:19 ` Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-09-02 10:09 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-12-09 11:20 ` Ihor Radchenko 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-09-02 10:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrea Lazzarini; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes: > Andrea Lazzarini <andrea.lazzarini1@gmail.com> writes: > >> I was busy with work and had less time to focus on this, sorry! > > No problem. Just wanted to make sure that this thread did not fall > through the cracks. It has been two months since the last message here. If you encounter any difficulties, feel free to ask me anything. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [FR] Enhancing footnote managment (via indirect buffer)? 2023-09-02 10:09 ` Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-12-09 11:20 ` Ihor Radchenko 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-12-09 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrea Lazzarini; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes: > It has been two months since the last message here. Closing due to inactivity. Canceled. "Closing" does not mean that this feature will not be accepted. I am just removing it from the list of tracked tasks that require maintainer attention. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [FR] Enhancing footnote managment (via indirect buffer)? [not found] ` <990C578F-176B-4166-868C-0BC59759CC19@gmail.com> 2023-05-26 9:08 ` Fwd: " Andrea Lazzarini @ 2023-05-26 9:13 ` Ihor Radchenko 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-05-26 9:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrea Lazzarini Andrea Lazzarini <andrea.lazzarini1@gmail.com> writes: > I've tried to use org-edit-special with a src block with 2+ blank lines and the second #+end_src is not seen as part of the footnote. > Is this the edge problem you were addressing? I get the same result with the indirect buffer. Yup, it is one of the edge problems that org-edit-special could (though currently does not) address. Indirect buffer cannot easily address such problems. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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