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Removing ditaa from > org means that I have to do manual installation and configuration, while > with ditaa bundled, org-mode can simply note that I need java installed. > >> If we bundle it, we also need to ensure it is updated if/when new jar >> versions are released. > > We can do that, but we don=A1=AFt have to. As long as the bundled jar wor= ks, > it is much better than no jar. Depending on what users have on their machines it may not work on their machine. The bundled jar might ask for a version of Java runtime that users does not have. There is no guarantee that every distribution comes with java bundled either. For you it maybe works, for someone else it might generate 1001 question and confusion when things don't work.