From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: org-install.el in Emacs probably should be removed Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:40:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83d4dkyw94.fsf@cam.ac.uk> <3d6808890902151418y564c4f86w44d0cea114e126a7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LYpf4-0006CR-PD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:40:30 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LYpf3-0006CF-BC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:40:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48238 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LYpf3-0006CC-8g for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:40:29 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f20.google.com ([209.85.219.20]:55736) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LYpf2-0007qw-Pl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:40:29 -0500 Received: by ewy13 with SMTP id 13so2839295ewy.18 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:40:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3d6808890902151418y564c4f86w44d0cea114e126a7@mail.gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Tim O'Callaghan Cc: org-mode On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Tim O'Callaghan wrote: >> >> This is what I have done extensively in the manual, but this has not >> kept people from doing (require 'org) in .emacs. >> >> I have been fighting hard to get people to use (require 'org- >> install), >> so I did not want to punish them when they move to Emacs 23 and want >> to use the Emacs version. Admittedly, this is not very likely. >> >> Also, I do want to keep the option that org-install will do more than >> just install autoloads. >> >> So while I don't have strong feelings about removing org-install >> from Emacs again, I cannot really see the point either. >> >> - Carsten >> > > The usage of org-install has the pre-requisite of having to compile > the org.el files. This is no use to people like myself, who want to > use the same .el files in XEmacs and Emacs due to incompatible .elc > problems. Its also no use to people who do no have a build system or > make binary installed e.g. windows users, locked down linux/unix > systems etc. > > How about adding a skeleton org-install.el that gets overwritten by > the make? org-install.el is part of the distribution tar and zip files. I cannot include it into the git repo because the git people tell me that it is a bad idea to keep a product file under git control (Bernt?). The fact that producing org-install.el triggers some code compilation (org org.el, to be exact, the others are compiled because org.el depends on them) is a bug that I do not understand - any make gurus around here who can sort this out? If you have a system without make, then you should probably not rely on the git distribution, but rather on the snapshots. - Carsten