From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matthew Sauer Subject: Re: Org expert mode? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:11:52 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502cfb059b4c9049e216dd9 Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40454 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pxgap-0007pt-Ta for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:12:01 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pxgao-0007tz-Ja for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:11:55 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:63684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pxgao-0007tj-9u for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:11:54 -0500 Received: by eyh6 with SMTP id 6so602207eyh.0 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:11:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rainer M Krug Cc: Rustom Mody , emacs-orgmode --00504502cfb059b4c9049e216dd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So maybe different custom functions that are developed to allow people to use ORG in different ways. Some with more help for basic features, some for GTD, some for publishing, some for advanced features or programming. All of the features would always be available but maybe the suggest order for auto-completion or help functions would be different? Matthew On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rustom Mody > wrote: > > Bastien wrote: > >> I've just added the ability to run a custom function for bulk agenda > actions (thanks to Puneeth for the patch!) This is clearly for > >> power users -- or those who are willing to take the time to find > functions that we might document in Worg. > > > >> So I naturally thought of something like an "Org Expert mode": when > turned off, the UI would *not* give access to complex features > >> and perhaps display more helpful messages on simple ones; when turned > on, Org would have a less verbose UI (think of the C-c C-e > >> window, do we really want to *read* it all the times?) and give access > to all the complex features. > > > > Org is a large and diverse system and something to help (us perennial > > :-) newbies is always welcome. > > > > But I wonder if there are really too many experts as against users > > whose patterns of usage are expert in one area and noob in others. > > For example consider: Using org for: > > * Brainstorming > > * GTD, mobile org > > * Publishing > > * Literate Programming (via babel) > > * Statistical analysis (spreadsheet, R) > > > > Is it not likely that most people are going to be expert in (at most) > > a few of these and not really expert in the others? > > I completely agree - and that is the direction my suggestion is aiming at. > Somebody using org mode for literate programming might be an expert in > literal programming with R, but no idea (yet?) about GTD and mobile > org. > So a system which provides usage pattern specific menues and enabled / > disabled functions, would be from my point of view the perfect > solutions. > And if this could be set on a file basis, that would even be better. > > Rainer > > > > > > > > > -- > NEW GERMAN FAX NUMBER!!! > > Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation > Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) > > Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology > Natural Sciences Building > Office Suite 2039 > Stellenbosch University > Main Campus, Merriman Avenue > Stellenbosch > South Africa > > Cell: +27 - (0)83 9479 042 > Fax: +27 - (0)86 516 2782 > Fax: +49 - (0)321 2125 2244 > email: Rainer@krugs.de > > Skype: RMkrug > Google: R.M.Krug@gmail.com > > --00504502cfb059b4c9049e216dd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So maybe different custom functions that are developed to allow people= to use ORG in different ways.=A0 Some with more help for basic features, s= ome for GTD, some for publishing, some for advanced features or programming= .=A0=A0 All of the features would always be available but maybe the suggest= order for auto-completion or=A0help functions would be different?
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Matthew

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Rainer M Krug <= span dir=3D"ltr"><r.m.krug@gmail.c= om> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
&= gt; Bastien wrote:
>> I've just added the ability to run a cus= tom function for bulk agenda actions (thanks to Puneeth for the patch!) =A0= This is clearly for
>> power users -- or those who are willing to take the time to find f= unctions that we might document in Worg.
>
>> So I naturally= thought of something like an "Org Expert mode": when turned off,= the UI would *not* give access to complex features
>> and perhaps display more helpful messages on simple ones; when tur= ned on, Org would have a less verbose UI (think of the C-c C-e
>> = window, do we really want to *read* it all the times?) and give access to a= ll the complex features.
>
> Org is a large and diverse system and something to help (us pe= rennial
> :-) newbies is always welcome.
>
> But I wonder= if there are really too many experts as against users
> whose patter= ns of usage are expert in one area and noob in others.
> For example consider: Using org for:
> * Brainstorming
> *= GTD, mobile org
> * Publishing
> * Literate Programming (via b= abel)
> * Statistical analysis (spreadsheet, R)
>
> Is it= not likely that most people are going to be expert in (at most)
> a few of these and not really expert in the others?

I completely agree - and that is the direction my suggestion is aiming at.=
Somebody using org mode for literate programming might be an expert in<= br> literal programming with R, but no idea (yet?) about GTD and mobile
org.=
So a system which provides usage pattern specific menues and enabled /<= br>disabled functions, would be from my point of view the perfect
soluti= ons.
And if this could be set on a file basis, that would even be better.
Rainer

>
>



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Natural Sciences Building
Office Suite 2039
Stellenbosc= h University
Main Campus, Merriman Avenue
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