From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nathan Neff Subject: Re: An Org-mode clone for Vim Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:59:49 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33187 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PFV4V-0006fw-93 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:59:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PFV4R-0007da-Pf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:59:52 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:37724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PFV4R-0007dW-GJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:59:51 -0500 Received: by bwz16 with SMTP id 16so5016464bwz.0 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 08:59:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Herbert Sitz Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Herbert, this is fantastic news. My background is mainly with Vim, but I am very open to learning other soft= ware. I can understand people who don't want to relearn keybindings, etc, but I work on many platforms and have that problem all the time anyway :-). I'm a member of a "vim-geeks" group in St. Louis, and I demoed Org-mode to = them last week. The idea of implementing org-mode in Vim was brought up, and I'm sure there are some very talented Vim-scripters in our group who would be interested in your plugin/org-mode system. I'll forward this thread to the vim-geeks group -- please keep up your effort! I think it would be fun to be able to really use org-mode from inside Vim. In addition, we might be able to help you implement some features, or provide feedback. --Nate On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Herbert Sitz wrote: > I've been working on a Vim plugin that is file-compatible with Org-mode a= nd that > clones a good subset of features. =A0It's gotten to the point where I'd l= ike to > put it up on Github and see if anyone wants to use it and/or help develop= it > with me. =A0So far I've implemented a good subset of Org's functionality = and, > though it has a few rough edges, right now it could be perfectly usable f= or > certain people out there who prefer Vim as a text editor, but who have be= en > drawn to Emacs' Org-mode because of its features. =A0My project isn't at = the point > where it has all the features or the polish of Org-mode, but many Org-mod= e users > use only a small subset of Org. =A0For people who prefer Vim and have sub= sets > coinciding with my project it could be an option. > > I've made a video showing what it looks like and demonstrating some of th= e basic > outlining stuff. =A0I just uploaded it to Vimeo, and it tells me it will = be > available for viewing in a couple hours (i.e., around 3:15pm PST today, F= riday > Nov. 5,2010). =A0When available it will be viewable at this link: > http://vimeo.com/16543959 > > For someone who asks, 'Why would you bother to do this for Vim when it's = already > done in Emacs?", I would have these responses: > > 1. =A0A lot of people don't like Emacs. =A0It is of course an insanely po= werful > piece of software, but a lot of people can never get accustomed to the ch= ord-key > command system, or if they do get semi-accustomed they don't like it or i= t > causes them physical pain. > 2. =A0Some people are of the opinion that, while Emacs is admittedly a gr= eat > operating system/development environment, it lacks a decent text editor. = =A0;) > 3. =A0Emacs and Vim (or Vim and Emacs) are king and queen atop the pile o= f text > editors. =A0What one has the other should have to, to the extent possible= . > 4. =A0I consider myself a Vim person, but I moved to Org-mode and Emacs m= yself > (made almost palatable to me by Viper and Vimpulse) because I wanted to b= e able > to publish outlines to PDF and HTML. =A0Vim has a couple decent outliners= but > nobody has bothered to create good export systems for quality output. =A0= I had > written some (non-publishing-related) extensions for one of the Vim outli= ners > and I knew it wouldn't be that hard to write something in Vim that was > file-compatible with Org-mode, which would then be able to publish to PDF= and > HTML simply by calling out to an Emacs server. =A0This was my original go= al and > it's done and works great. > 5. =A0As I did some work I became more curious about all the task managem= ent and > organization features in Org-mode, and how they might be implemented in V= im. =A0So > I started coding up stuff for the various Org searches, agenda views, spa= rse > trees, column views, date management, etc. =A0This is actually fun to do = and Vim > is well-suited for doing it. =A0So I've kept going. =A0I'm hoping someone= else might > have an interest in doing this with me. > 6. As I said in 5., developing this stuff is fun. > > That's about it. =A0If there's any interest I'll do more videos showing h= ow other > Org-mode features have been implemented in the Vim plugin, and where they= stand > right now in the Vim plugin compared to Org-mode. > > Regards, > > Herb Sitz > Seattle, WA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >