Re: Keeping a wiki with org-mode

From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: Dan Davison <davison@stats.ox.ac.uk>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Keeping a wiki with org-mode
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:17:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A431ADC0-97E8-4CBA-92A8-3951C331BF77@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k53ht2yu.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk>

On Jun 13, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Dan Davison wrote:

> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Thank you all for the replies,
>>
>> What I was suggesting is something like what WikiDPad does, a local
>> wiki-like KB. WikiDPad exposes a very agile workflow, where CameCased
>> words get automatically identified as wiki words and it automatically
>> create files in the filesystem with the name of the wikiword.
>
> Hi Marcelo,
>
> I just did a search of the mailing list for 'CamelCase' (search
> available on the org home page) and it shows that what support there  
> was
> for CamelCase-style links has always been unenthusiastic and was
> eventually removed from the core. I think people are happy with the
> current syntax for links, and as Sebastian and Eric have shown, we
> already have convenient commands for e.g. creating the links, and
> creating content in the file being linked to. However, as Carsten  
> points
> out in one of those threads, that's not to say someone couldn't add it
> as a contributed package.
>
> One of the posts thrown up by that search is by Taru Karttunen,
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/13050
>
> showing a line of perl that can help with converting existing camel  
> case
> links to org style. (For most normal people I imagine that it also
> provides a beneficial exercise in perl regexps.)

And if someone wanted it badly enough, I am sure it would not be hard
to implements CamelCase links as an add-on and use hooks to convert
these links to file: links for export.  I personally don;t like  
CamelCase
because is it unstable and will give bad results for MacArthur and
in many other cases.

- Carsten

>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Sebastian  
>> Rose<sebastian_rose@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Hmm, I thought Worg was an approach on using org (in a distributed
>>>> manner, with the goal of contributing to the org-mode project  
>>>> itself)
>>>> instead of an extension to provide wiki-enhancements to org. Or  
>>>> am I
>>>> wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>> Worg is loosely realated to orgmode.org. We link back and forth, but
>>> stuff committed to Worg will always show up below orgmode.org/worg/.
>>>
>>> It's not a wiki though. We push to a common repo, and that repo is
>>> pulled (I think once an hour) and then exported on (or to??) the  
>>> server
>>> by emacs. That's how the site is kept up to date.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Russell Adams<RLAdams@adamsinfoserv.com 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I  
>>>>>> know you
>>>>>> can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something
>>>>>> automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having  
>>>>>> wikiwords
>>>>>> (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the
>>>>>> system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it  
>>>>>> is not
>>>>>> possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version.
>>>
>>>
>>> There are no CamelCase links in Org-mode for a reason. But there is
>>> automatic link and page creation. I have no problem with this syntax
>>> here:
>>>
>>>   [[file:../relative/path.org][Look here]]
>>>
>>>   http://orgmode.org/worg
>>>   file:./file.png
>>>   file:somefile.org
>>>
>>>
>>> You can create the page simply by clicking on the (file) link or
>>> pressing `C-c C-o' while on it.
>>>
>>> You go back to the link with `C-x &' later on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, automatic link creation can be done the other way round in
>>> Org-mode:
>>>
>>> If you visit an interesting place (a web page, email, man page...)  
>>> you
>>> store a link to that location, whenever you either `remember'  
>>> something,
>>> or through `C-c L', or click your org-remember bookmark, org-store- 
>>> link
>>> bookmark, org-open-source bookmark....
>>>
>>> In the `C-c L' case you may insert the link later on by pressing  
>>> `C-c
>>> C-l'. In case you clicked a `store-link' bookmark, simple yanking is
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Hm - `C-c L' and remember are even more usefull. For emacs users  
>>> _very_
>>> usefull, since you may store usefull links to a place _inside_ a  
>>> source
>>> file to a file _inside_ a certain projects documentation/todo-file.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But back to the wiki thing: why not use a WIKI when you need  
>>> one ????
>>>
>>>
>>> Org-mode is ready to generate online content, yes, but online  
>>> content is
>>> not ready to cope with full fledged org files (should be feasable,  
>>> but
>>> no one did it).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>>   Sebastian
>>>
>>
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