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Message-Id: <9A2B419F-36BA-4C4F-BE8D-09A9E0684225@manicmind.earth> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 07:07:03 -0500 To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Received-SPF: pass client-ip=107.20.249.12; envelope-from=nate@manicmind.earth; helo=mail.manicmind.earth X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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Org agenda is unique in this, it is = the first out of many views i have used that did not have '?' bound to = open some kind of help. Seems to be convention in pretty much anything = builtin to emacs or added by third party that takes over a buffer and = interacts with the user. Some examples of builtin are dired, = list-buffers, ibuffer, list-bookmarks. '?' is currently default `org-agenda-show-the-flagging-note`, i haven't = used that quite yet. There hasn't been much discussion on the list about this, There was = brief discussion on the list about 'h' here: = https://orgmode.org/list/87v9b6qn23.fsf@gmail.com/. Maybe most people = don't really care about this. Do other people ever use '?' or was that = just me because i came from the vim world? It was something that stood = out to me when i first started using org-mode, so i thought i would = present it to the list as feedback data. I didn't realize for a while that "C-h m" opens describe-mode by = default, and describe-mode is kinda what i wanted for my problems. I had = been opening the org info manual, taking a couple steps to navigate to = 'Agenda Commands', and referencing that. I then bookmarked it because i = was doing it so much. Maybe i was being stupid but i was new to stuff = and i think the '?' is intended for people who are getting started and = it would have helped me out there. Anyway, just some thoughts. Thank you, everyone. Great work on the software. Nate=